Nominations - Targeted Rejections
I'm Fedup With Targeted Rejection Of Nominations By Wayfarers And Niantic Policy Of Not Review Back.
Niantic Should Understand Their Policies Are Outdated and in Old Age Home Who Should be updated and more Transparent.
People Giving Shitty Reasons For Rejection Even After Adding 360* Street View In Map.
Many People Are Busy Rejecting Others Nominations And Then Use Their Pic In Their Local Area For Fake Submission But NIANTIC ARE SLEEPING LIKE ALWAYS.
PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING FOR TRANSPARENCY SO OTHERS CAN REVIEW PROPERLY
We Do Hard Work To Click Pic Make Nomination Which Obviously Took A Part Of Our Life And When We Got Results Like That By Some Shitty People And Old Policies... It's Hurts.
I HAVE MANY STORIES LIKE THIS
SO FINALLY I'M ANNOUNCING MY RETIREMENT AS A WAYFARER AND NOMINATOR
Thank You For Your Support And Love
Comments
The correct place to post your concerns is on the Wayfarer forum: https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/
Besides that, it's not just reviewers that are to blame, but also submitters. It's too easy to blame the faceless dozens of people that review things anonymously, but rarely do people take responsibility for their own submissions not meeting eligibility criteria. For instance, what's the significance of a generic looking gate? What criteria would that actually meet?
We (Local Community) Let Small Park Gates Acceptable As A Mark For That Park Who Don't Have Any Singn Board.
However Even if It's Not Acceptable Than is The Reason Given By Reviewers Is Justifiable??
I'm Partially Agreed With Your Point But Its Not True As A Whole
Rules And Criteria Set By NIA But They Make No Review Policy Which Means Ultimate Decisions is Taken By Reviewers.
Another Rejection Library Clearly Marked In Google Map With 360*
@Orochimaru094 writes: "We (Local Community) Let Small Park Gates Acceptable As A Mark For That Park Who Don't Have Any Singn Board."
It sounds like your local community is trying to make up its own rules, since that directly contradicts Niantic's guidance. From the January 2020 clarifications: https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/help#niantic-wayfarer-clarifications-january-2020
Not acceptable:
It is well documented that some reviewers give the wrong reasons for rejection. That is especially true if the right reason is "Doesn't Meet Criteria" since choosing that requires people to type in additional text. One of the reasons that Niantic has non-local reviewers is to avoid exactly the situation that you've described, where local reviewers decide they are going to make up rules that differ from Niantic's official guidance.
My first reaction when I saw your post was, "That doesn't look like it meets any acceptance criteria." I understand your frustrations about poor reviewing, and there's plenty of that happening, but in this case I think your outrage is unwarranted.
That's not even an eligible nomination
Okay bro I do understand the things I'll not submit Park gate again but same happens for a public library having 360* and marked in Google maps. Public library is eligible for subs?
@Orochimaru094 You are correct that there are plenty of bad reviewers out there. In an ideal world, the green/yellow/red system would drive them out of the voting pool or force them to reform. I think that works to some extent. At the same time, there seem to be local cabals forming that make up their own rules. This has been dramatically magnified with the influx of PoGo reviewers. Niantic has never done anything about multi-accounting in PoGo, and that may be biting them in the **** right now. I've heard tales of people with 5-10 or more L40 accounts in PoGo and all of the accounts being used to vote. It's easy to see how this can magnify local cabals, maybe even enough for them to successfully make their own rules.
There is an even more important factor, which is that Niantic has done a very bad job of training both reviewers and submitters. There is no central source of truth for what qualifies and what doesn't. If a reviewer or submitter wants to know all of the rules they need to read a long list of documents and manually keep track of how some things have changed. This is an incomplete list:
Whew! Just compiling that list was exhausting. Keeping track of that information is hard work, which is why so many submitters turn in really horrible stuff and so many reviewers get things wrong. The content is good, it's just impossible for any individual to digest all of it.
I have some thoughts on how Niantic improve the training situation:
#1: Centralize all of the guidelines into one location, ideally no more than 2-3 different pages for people to read. Keep them up-to-date, and annotate changes with the date of the update, but also keep a single Update Log document so that people can just scan the changes.
#2: Require both submitters and reviewers to pass the Wayfarer test.
#3: Build definitions of things into the review system for quick reference. I've heard soooo many really insane definitions of safe pedestrian access. Two examples are a restaurant whose front door was right at the sidewalk but someone didn't think the sidewalk was wide enough for 20 people to raid at the same time, and another was a volleyball court in the middle of the lawn in a public park and some reviewers argued that there was no safe pedestrian access because there wasn't a sidewalk. Insanity, but these people still review.
#4: Create a library of refresher/tutorial pseudo-submissions and give each reviewer one every hundred or so reviews, more frequently if the reviewer's rating is getting low. When you review one of these and get it substantially wrong the next page would be an educational one with explanation of the rule that the mini-quiz was targeted at.
There are some other things that Niantic could do to improve the overall situation:
A: Crack down on multi-accounting in PoGo. (This is a fantasy, I know. These cheaters are a revenue stream.)
B: Reduce the percentage of "local" reviewers for each submission, so that the vast majority come from outside of the area. I'm pulling a number out of thin air, but maybe no more than 10% of reviews for each submission should come from people whose play area is within some range of the submission's location. That would significantly reduce the cabal opportunities.
C: Create some sort of penalty box for people who routinely submit coal. I have some half-formed thoughts about a rejection level that is between "No" and "Abuse". Abuse is for offensive content, doxxing, etc. I envision something that boils down to "This submission is problematic." It would be a checkbox for someone deliberately abusing the system like the guy who keeps submitting the same generic fire hydrant over and over, the rose bushes in his front yard labeled "Famous Rose Garden", oh hell anything in anyone's front yard, Accumulate enough of those and you wind up in a penalty box where you have to retake the test before you submit again.
I review nomination like these and reject them. Normally archway, gates, entrance etc.. are approved only if they're unique/cool/good looking. There has to be some good factor for getting approved. Just being a park entrance is not good enough. And as for the reasons given for rejection, well, there's no "your nomination s##ks" option for selection. Anyway.. No "injustice" was done here.
It's eligible, but eligible only means 'can be accepted' not 'must be accepted'. You still have to get all the parts of the submission correct. Without seeing your submission and the rejection reasons, we don't know if you messed up some part of the submission.
Atleast Show Some Respect To Your Fellow Members.
Yes It Got Rejected And I Got That Point But This Post Is Not Only About That Rejection.
Now Read Last 4 Lines Of Your Comment And Think If I Use Same Tone For You Than you'll Like It??
Tu Bhai Bhagwaan Hi Kyu N Ho Har Kisi ki Self Respect H
Mene Teri Maintain Kri I Hope Tu Bhi Dushro Ki Kree.
Agreed Bro 👍
Everyday We Learn Something New And You Both With Others Provide helped me in that. Thanks for Providing Helpful Insights.
You Both Are Very Helpful, Kind and Good Guider.
From Next Time I'll Try To Submit Something Better.
Tysm
Not about your nomination, but the quality of review has certainly hit rock bottom after Wayfarer was introduced.