# 13 Archetypes: Visionary

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If you've already got 16 characters, then the bottom right hand corner is not going to help you any further (afaik).

Now you need to work out which characters are numerical and which are not. and whether you have the correct keyword. @maurirrai don't give up!

In terms of the number of steps, this is the shortest puzzle-to-answer of all the challenges so far!

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1 character 1 is the difference in words at the beginning that we forget

• But there is indeed a hidden word in the bottom right corner string that has a direct relation to the algorithm used to solve the words thing.. I read it in its Wikipedia article.

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Got it, finally - miscounted the first few times and selected the wrong letter as a number

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What I'm trying to say is: if you don't know how to count the words, the clue should help you.

If you DO already know how to count the words, then the clue probably won't help you to solve the rest of the puzzle.

• If it wasn't for this I wouldn't be able to make it. FINALLY DID IT!

😁👍🏼

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yeah ... congratulations 🎉🎉

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edited December 2019

Just as I declare "I give up!" on trying to figure out the bottom right hand corner clue and I'm closing the twenty tabs I have open, I accidentally noticed the answer. Not sure whether to ****, laugh or cry.

For anybody still curious/stuck, the format to the answer of the bottom right hand clue is three words: #### aaaa, aaaaaaa (but you don't necessarily need it to solve the rest of the challenge).

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• Sorry, but I get entangled tagging comments

That comment (hint) from MarkJairo, was very important to me because I knew that he could give me the mechanism of obtaining, as was the audacity in the second challenge and that led me to ask about Vladimir L? Chocobonbon

I just lacked the method, I got that by analyzing the suffix for a long time, once I got it, I thought about walking from the finish line to the start 😅

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Got it, finally. A fair bit of help from my local friends!

Looking forward to the postmortem about the clue in the lower right.

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Also got it.

The hardest part was finding the right method to compare words to find the differences. After I done a couple manually I even found the right calculator by accident.

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Hey nia, take 8 hours off my time would you? If it wasn't for the 'passcode circuitry running hot' I'd have got this at 11pm last night.

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In a non-mobile web browser, there's a "Drafts" link in the upper-right of the forums. Click that, and you can [X] anything you've started.

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• It is very easy when you follow up the hints provided. It's more like a google search challange.☺️

• Finally...

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Akeca I must disagree as far as I'm concerned they didn't give away much at all. I truthfully didn't have any real clue based on counting distance. Until I got a proper look at the bottom right clue didn't know what the heck I was looking at or where to look at all.

You try to chastise others for "giving too much away" but I personally seriously doubt I'd have ever figured this one out without that bottom right clue. Hindsight IS 20/20 and you seem to be one of those who just likes to ignore that fact.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Finally got it. Manually counting substitutions got me nowhere, I eventually got the right thing into Google to find the name for what I was trying to do and then it became easy. I also learned a bit about Lenin in the process.

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To me, this is the most unfair decoding challenge so far. After getting the keyword and suffix, the preffix goes something like:

• Umm, there's a character missing sooooo ummm.. we're adding "this" to compare with "this" to have one more character.

• Next step, there's no logic nor clue in what characters should stay as a letter or number.

Preview challenges were straight to the passcode format, this one not the case.

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Words in bold and italics are the answer

• What I mean is:

1- Dreamer: seems like we have a barcode, well let's find an algorithm for it.. solved.

2- Interpreter: well we have audio now, let's SEE what we can do with it... got it.

3- Visionary: this paragraph might indicate the use of a similar algorithm... solved... well, half of it 'cause it can't be redeemed yet due to preffix I guess.

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Yes, I understand, but Visionary refers to the Directive on the lower right that makes this challenge fair with the two previous challenges 🤗

• Well then we will probably get more of this scenario since we already know the preffix and suffix character count.

• Is the calculator on Google easy to find? If I could get the correct string of numbers I think I could solve it easily from there.

• Thanks, that finally makes the "hint" make sense to me, long after I'd solved the rest of it.

I spotted the 7-letter word in there before figuring out how to descramble the whole string -- and still found it to be misleading, because it's the name of a similar measurement/algorithm that's not quite the one required. And as other people appear to understand the concept but are unable to get the right numbers out, getting the same half-solved hint I reached won't help them either.

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1. I didn't chastise anybody, just asked a simple question (that's a fact)
2. "Hindsight is 20/20" is a saying which means that "It's easy to know the right thing to do after something has happened, but it's hard to predict the future" (that's NOT a fact)
3. First one is a fact, the second one is not. I think we can stop playing Sesame Street, you get the point, right? 😉
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clue in the lower right is not about the number of characters, but the basic theory used to solve this challenge ... where Visionary is composed of a prestigious event about information science, systems, and technology