Playground

Good afternoon! I ask to specify that in criterion of an assessment of portals it is understood under "Playground".

In our country, playgrounds are in every yard of every apartment building. They are small, often it's just some kind of slide and nothing else. And they are the same type.

Here is an example:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xhXHcrtJW1nE6AeDNR00ZqKxI5xM0eNfR5illk76hVVtlSJEwk8-FESU1Tqw7BN9mf95sO8MkW-5JS1u55Br0bPzrvU

https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=55.795353,37.721042&z=17&pll=55.795353,37.721042

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/fFMUXMIYu_dRm9NzEY9XudI1B6mh6yGHbWHzNz_sK5gOg2c63z9Rp_uhvXet3Yr_jppbdnfLyhg7hl6kRjeYQvb8zOKr

https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=55.794626,37.726271&z=17&pll=55.794626,37.726271

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/K3_Uuod1KxH4IXXiGfkeya1fkp4FTCJKAOqCjDBm--EtqvXh9_4sloxJdnJufzAeYkpFPphTSkbn361nXi1C

https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=55.794026,37.725495&z=17&pll=55.794026,37.725495 


With the arrival of Pokemongo in wayfarer, all these sites began to accept, using just this item from the criteria. Previously, it was regulated that practiee in the ingress protivodymnoy contrast to pokemon, and did not approve such applications on the basis of the color area. Now the players Pokemonro there is no stopping factor.

Comments

  • TheFarixTheFarix ✭✭✭✭✭

    From Help > Potentially Confusing Nominations:

    Playgrounds - Eligible, as long as they are not located on primary and secondary school grounds, child care centers, day care centers, or private residential property. Indoor playgrounds should be evaluated on their cultural and historical significance.

    And before that, from the Candidate Action Guide:

    Candidate: Playground

    Policy: Accept

    Suggested Vote:

    ACCEPT if the candidate is in a park or community gathering place; falls under the criteria of public spaces that encourage walk and exercise.

    If Ingress agents in your area have been rejecting playgrounds before, then they were not following Niantic's guidelines. So it is rather rich to come to Niantic's forums and complain that PoGo players are following Niantic's guidelines when you believe they shouldn't.

  • Playgrounds are eligble. The guidelines doesn't state it has to be big, have a certain number of objects or anything else. If you follow the guidelines, playgrounds are ok. There is no way around it.

  • There are two exceptions to that rule:

    1. If the playground is in someone's back yard (which could potentially be grounds for rejection under the heading of Private Residential Property)
    2. If the playground is on or near the grounds of a preschool, elementary school, middle/high school, or regional equivalent (which would be grounds for rejection under the "K-12" heading).
  • Mark all playgrounds in my area.

    They are eligible, OK. And that is very sad.

  • TheFarixTheFarix ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why is it sad? Looks like your are would have very few Wayspots if playgrounds weren't eligible.


  • They are all the same, one playground is similar to the other. It’s boring, tiring, and dull. Points Of No Interesting.

  • That might be your opinion, but that is all. It's Niantic's game, and they say playgrounds are ok - aside from being in a private area or school, as mentioned above.

  • Perhaps you ought to reread what the guidelines actually say.

    "ACCEPT if the candidate is in a park or community gathering place; falls under the criteria of public spaces that encourage walk and exercise".

    Notice the word IF there. You are only supposed to accept playgrounds IF they are in a park or community gathering place. Automatically accepting playground submissions that you have not assessed as such is not conforming to the guidelines, it is going against them. Just because they are eligible doesn't mean they should be accepted.

    Acceptance for playgrounds is a 2-part test:

    1. Are they eligible? (If on K-12 grounds, or private residential property, then no, reject; otherwise move on to step 2).
    2. Are they are in a park or community gathering place? If yes, then accept, if no, then reject.

    You seem to be only going as far as step 1. The OP is - rightly - concerned that many people, like you, seem to be ignoring the second part of the determination.

  • TheFarixTheFarix ✭✭✭✭✭

    You do understand that a playground at an apartment complex is still a community gathering place, even if it is just for the those living in the complex and their guests?

  • Are you trolling or just... unable to understand English?

    Of course an apartment complex isn't a community gathering place. Just because members of a community happen to congregate at a particular spot doesn't make it a gathering place. People congregate at pedestrian crossings all over the planet every day, but that doesn't make any of them community gathering places. A gathering place is a place FOR gathering. An apartment complex is a place FOR habitation, not gathering.

  • TheFarixTheFarix ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8

    I believe you are the one trolling, Anyone using common sense understands that apartment complexes can have community gathering places for their residences, of which playgrounds are one of. A community gathering place isn't determined by accessibility by the general public. Heck, I lived in an apartment complex that had several playgrounds, a community pool, tennis court, and a community building for the residence. These are still community gathering places regardless of whether they were at an apartment complex or somewhere else.

  • Move those goalpost why don't you. You didn't say apartments can HAVE gathering places (they can indeed, such as meeting halls), you said they WERE gathering places.

  • AnlashokAnlashok ✭✭✭

    @TheFarix didn't move any goalposts. You created a strawman argument.

    What they said:

    > "a playground at an apartment complex is still a community gathering place"

    What you claimed they said:

    > "an apartment complex is a community gathering place"

    Common areas at such locales - like playgrounds - are community gathering places, even if that community is defined as "residents and their authorized guests".

  • OK, what we have here is a difference in opinion over "community", then.

    IMO, the residents of an apartment complex are NOT a community (within the meaning of the word as used in portal submissions), and thus a playground in an apartment complex isn't a community gathering place, unless it is open to outsiders, "THE" community, at large.

    Why?

    Because if you can define "community" as such a small group an non-public, is loses any meaning as used in the giddiness. It is a basic canon of rules interpretation that each word should be given a meaning. If you interpret "community" such that the residents of an apartment are a community then you can simply delete the word "community" from "ACCEPT if the candidate is in a park or community gathering place; falls under the criteria of public spaces that encourage walk and exercise" and the sentence will have exactly the same meaning, becayuse any gathering place can be defined to have an associated community according to such an expansive interpretation.

    Moreover, note also that the next sentence specifies "the criteria of public spaces" is met by such a playground. But one in an apartment complex does NOT meet this criterion.

    Ergo, the interpretation of an apartment's residents being such a community is false.

  • TheFarixTheFarix ✭✭✭✭✭

    Perhaps you should look up the definision of community and you will find that people living in an apartment building or complex very much are a community on their own. If it requires you to redefine a word from its accepted meaning in order to eliminate a valid wayspot, then the problem is with you.

  • AnlashokAnlashok ✭✭✭

    As I understand it, such redefinition of terms is commonly referred to as a "motte and bailey argument".

  • I'd say that the question is not what a community is, but rather what a gathering place is. In Russian cities (and possibly in some other former USSR republics), sometimes there are small playgrounds in between what in US terms would be considered apartment or condo buildings. This playground is one such example. Toddlers would be watched over by moms, older kids could play by themselves. If a few moms gathered together at this playground while watching their children make this "a gathering place", then the portal is valid.

    PS I am living in US now, but I am from Ukraine, one of the former republics, so I am a bit familiar with the situation.

  • XQlusioNXQlusioN ✭✭✭✭✭

    So this isn't an Ingress community then?

    The name and url claim otherwise

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