Adding a New Portal tab for comms
orcacherman
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Now that pokemon go players are getting new portals/pokestops approved it would be helpful to have notifications of new portals in comms. This would facilitate the upvote process to promote gyms in pokemon go, so that gyms are added in locations which are appropriate and accessible for the majority of pokemon go players. We have a local discord group that has several Ingress players in it, to help in the photo upvote process, but we only know about new portals that are group has submitted, so some new portals might get gyms selected that are not ideal. If we had a comms channel that announced new portals the group would have one place to go and it would greatly facilitate upvoting.
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There is no added value in Ingress for something like this. Adding something on Ingress for the sole benefit of Pokémon Go is a waste of development resources that are better spent on improving Ingress.
What you are describing does exist already. And it does no good at all.
Also, you just came to the wrong place to speak about this. Azhreia is just right.
Did you know that there is this trending now stating that "if it does not spawn in PoGO, it should be removed from Ingress"?
I think we can all see very clearly that Niantic decided to sacrifice cultural value of ubications to allow expansion of playboxes, but you and people like you are constantly beyond the line and I'd say you will find very few friends over here.
I'd rather suggest to find a different way to decide which POI become gyms. Votes on portal photos are meant to improve the gameplay experience in Ingress by selecting the best photo. Basing decisions about the mechanics of another game on these votes is inviting abuse of the feature.
Exactly this.
Except for Poi locations, there should be no other connections between the games. Make gym random or by location (parks). It will avoid manipulation.
Absolutely agree. Grandfather in existing POIs in other games and change the mechanics so they don't rely on gaming the system.
People like me? I've been playing Ingress for 7 years and I'm on my 2nd recursion. Been playing pokemon go since the beginning. I do see a value in knowing about new portals in my area besides the upvoting, so I can know they are out there and go get a unique. I'm trying to bridge the gap here until Niantic hopefully catches up. Seems like a pretty easy development just to add a new comms section, but I'm sure they would turn it into something more complicated. I'm in favor of more interaction with other games. The upvoting gym mechanics is flawed but it has resulted in pogo players being interested in Ingress. I look at it as a challenge to bridge the 2 world's, and figure out the S2 cells, S14 and S17 levels, its given me a better understanding of what is going on in the background and why some things are the way they are.
Random gym locations is a bad idea. It has already resulted in gyms in unsafe locations and on properties that dont want a bunch of pokemon go activity. Upvoting more accessible locations isnt gaming the system it's doing the right thing by putting a gym where the players want it, and will benefit the majority, and not just a random location where it wont get used.
FYI This is an Ingress forum.
Huh, thought this was a place where people shared their ideas about Ingress and building communities, guess not.
@orcacherman it is indeed, but your idea is about PoGO.
Instead of trying to bridge the gap, as you said, you should be fighting for an exclusive system for PoGO to set up gym locations.
IMHO, any link between different games is a door to abusers.
Exactly.
New tab in comm just to show unique? Pretty useless, actually. Pokemon Go already got a perfect system for this function (floating halos over pokestop) they just need to repeat the code.
And based on ingress pictures is also a bad idea. Has resulted in many gym being in places with this same problem, because people were trying just to update a bad picture and resulted in a gym, with a better place right over the street...
Maybe not random, but give parks a automatic 5+ virtual votes for this reason, and of course separate the games and introduce a system just for that in PoGO.
Many say that this open doors for new ingress players, but most people I know only use it as a tool. Ingress is currently a tool for creating portal, location edits and upvote for many. This gym system should rely only to Pokemon go actions.
I've noticed that Castles in HPWU tend to spawn in parks. That is controlable and also a replicable code chunk :D
Seems useful to me, I know when I'm at a portal I've never been to in Ingress, but other than scouring intel to find new portals there isnt a way when I'm just out and about to see new portals. The upvoting mechanic in Ingress, honestly seems useless to me seems like a way to troll other players, and doesnt add anything to game play. So just remove it from Ingress and add to pogo where it serves an actual purpose.
While upvoting a photo in ingress has been abused, it is also a way to improve the quality of the displayed cover photo, where the original photo may be poor. It does serve a function, even if it doesn't affect gameplay.
It does add change in gameplay, since a better picture may improve identification of the target portal. Or just by making it better looking is already a improvement.
A new tab just to earn about a new portal creation is what is almost useless and add no change in gameplay. A floating "something" is a far better option for unique identification.
So upvoting in Ingress is just window dressing? What about encouraging exploration, taking a different path to where you are going because you know a new portal is there. I guess the floating new portal note would be good, but it needs to have a longer range. It seems like the pogo players are at least trying to make things better, and want access to make portal edits which will improve Ingress.
Random seems best
Remember, if it shouldn't be a gym, it shouldn't be a portal. Instead of everyone voting the two closest portals to the parking lot, how about we get some gyms that require walking?
What about encouraging exploration, taking a different path to where you are going because you know a new portal is there.
That's a good point, but be honest, it's not your original goal. You just want to "gaming" a flawed system. To explore new places there's the Intel, and if the hovering halo be added ingress, the current view is enough to spot a new marked portal.
It seems like the pogo players are at least trying to make things better, and want access to make portal edits which will improve Ingress.
You couldn't be more wrong than that. Improve Ingress? Be honest, pokemon edits will improve Pokestop by messing with well placed portals by trying to moving them off is right location to outside it's s17 cell.
This post is out of place. It’s kind of irritating, and I’m kind of speechless.
If you start inserting your PoGo into Ingress, don't be surprised if our Ingress starts inserting itself into PoGo. You're arguing nonsense and features that only benefit a completely different game, and would waste developer time that could be far more valuably spent on improving Ingress.
I believe my post is in the correct place. Ingress isn't a lone game in the universe, and if we are being honest, I think Ingress would have been dead years ago, if not for pokemon go keeping it alive. I'm sure there is just as much abuse of portal edits in Ingress. The majority of times picture upvotes are just a way to troll someones couch or favorite portal, or to feed somebodies ego over having a better picture. If you don't like what I'm saying then just ignore me instead of making vehement declarations against a suggestion that I mentioned to my Ingress friends and they didn't seem to have a problem with it. I keep hearing these comments on developer time, what are these guys doing to add some new features. I guess I can read around and see what nonsense other people are recommending that won't actually be an addition to game play.
@GoblinGranate So where would I go to lobby for this feature in Pokemon Go, it's solidly an Ingress function and has no parity in Pokemon Go. That's why I came to the Ingress forum. Is there another forum on here that is already discussing this? I'm trying to be positive about this interaction but nobody in here has any good ideas, why would a post on the Pokemon Go forum get any better traction, it seems like it has to start with Ingress.
I don't understand your speechlessness, or irritation at me proposing something new, please explain.
Plenty of gyms that require walking and that is good, but from experience we've found that churches aren't too fond of gyms on their property. Even being respectful churches aren't too happy with a dozen pogo players showing up for a raid. Should we remove all church portals, what I try to do with new gyms, is put them in places where they don't cause as much impact or strife.
What is this thing that already exists, that does no good at all?
Go away, this is ingress.
Thanks
I think Ingress would have been dead years ago, if not for pokemon go keeping it alive.
And Pokémon would not even be born if ingress wasn't around anymore. You should be thankful. And thankful for knowing how to exploit one game to have advantage in other. But asking for changes and update in one to make easier to exploit the other... That's just nonsense (to avoid saying stupid).
Enjoy the exploit while you can, because I'm sure one day it will change, but know your place, you're in no position to argue or demand anything.
This is pretty funny, as the OP is a (relatively) local player to me and is known as a heavy Ingress player. I suppose he also plays other Niantic games, as he alludes to in this thread, but I would certainly not call him a PoGo-er first.
Anyway, on topic, I think there definitely should be some sort of notification of new portals in a player defined geographic region, but I'm not sure it should be in the scanner itself. Maybe some sort of layer on Intel.
I also agree with another poster/topic that the gym mechanism in PoGo should be divorced from Ingress. I really hate the influence that one game might have on another, and all of the perversions of Ingress that have resulted.
In both cases though, it requires Niantic to change things or do extra development, and I just don't see that happening at the moment. They are too focused on making Ingress sustainable.
let's say you submit a strategic portal that you don't want the opposing faction to know about. would you want it broadcast in COMM when it goes live?
You could just post your request in the regular cross faction comms channel if you are looking for upvotes for gym creation. However I do think a not insignificant number of players that see such a message, regardless of what channel it is in, will chose a different portal than the one requested out of spite.
Seems it would be better served by letting Pokemon go players upvote pictures themselves, or maybe even submit new photos to existing poi's, and not have to reply on Ingress. Ingress would then benefit by potentially having more up to date pictures.
That’s a really good point.
Thanks for your input, but this is Ingress that I'm talking about.
Know my place? I have just as much right to recommend changes to Ingress as you do. Exploiting? Maybe shaping the pogo world.
While that may be a good argument, I would say that strategic players are going to notice your "strategic portal" anyway.