Why does NIA give in to spoofers.
Lately the northsea was totally conquered by the enlightened, with multiple awesome places being visited by awesome agents. even we had some brave RES agents getting to a hard to reach place with much respect.
to get to all these locations cost loads of money and time and multiple agents are willing to spend both for their faction both resistance and enlightened.
when spoofers appear in the theater both factions work together to get them banned and lately NIA got some awesome tools to repair the work of the spoofer in question making the game more fair which is great.
lately spoofers found a way to get hands on a what NIA says a legit account and had their go at one of the hardest to reach island (fair isle) to have it killed (3rd go in 3 days) the ammount of kills is already gave away this action was a spoof action. this account could play in norway like a normal account then in 3 hours go to a remote island 800km away near the shetlands and then disappear totally. although RES and ENL both told NIA this is not possible to do NIA still let this gameplay win.
this way the game will lose the legit players and the spoofers and players who dont care take over.
please react and keep ingress cheat free.
all the proof of an impossible action on the portal is there!
even with all restores taking long we can live,
in africa NIA won from the spoofers why cant they take propper action here aswell.
probably spoofers found a way to hijjack accounts to take down stuff they want.
greetings,
roarex
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Ridiculous, the game is being destroyed by spoofers, this is NIA saying, it’s fair play guys.
Please review your support for ENL, there’s two factions in this game. Also please penalize players that abuse this kind of play by linking through spoofed lanes.
I realize Ingress doesn't have the income of Pokémon go or Harry Potter, but it provides the basis to those games. Spoofers ruin Ingress and eventually the player base will decrease to the point it doesn't provide what Niantic needs. The players aren't asking a lot here. Legit play. Ban the spoofer and quickly restore the portal. The quicker the restore, the more of a deterrent it is to the spoofer. When both factions agree it was spoofed, Niantic should trust them. We shouldn't have to ask you to do the right thing.
Make this game more fair and don't let spoofing take part of the Ingress story. So restore this portal and keep on doing that NIA, even spoofing made a field possible for the opposite party (take the field away). A lot people pay a lot of effort for this game.
Haven't yet looked at the linked image, but, your comment about taking action against those linking through spoofed lanes if daft - many people, like me, derp all the time, if I can link it, I do.
The player who destroyed fair isle map was on a portal in Norway a few hours before. To travel 737 km in 3 hour and 10 mins is impossible.
The portals are not on airports/landing strips, and the maximum airspeed of the most common airplane: chessna is 220 kmh.
Even with a jetplane, you would need a parachute and some mission impossible magic to get it done.
Please restore fair isle map and ban this spoofer. (Obviously.)
Actually they are banning for comm use like they don't never do before, and spoofers and multiacount owners noticed that and are abussing the system to get the hunters banned. Today if more easy to find a legit player banned for ping in comm a spofer, or asking him something, and being reported as harrasment.. that to find a spofer baned via reports.
Didn't know how they do, but fake reporting should be punished with ban to end this ban storm of legit players we are seeing.
I can also don't believe how we still see people paying a boat to a island portal, that is used by a reported cheater, and after killing the portal got himself banned at speed of light no matter how many photos he have taked as proof, but the spoofer stills alive and manages to ban legit players that spend money to get portals down.
Dear nia. The booing of prime at the Amterdam anomaly was kidsplay in comparence to the amount of frustration spoofers bring to the ingress playerbase. You,re conseqeunt failing to act against cheating behavior such as spoofing or multiaccounting, u name it, is even even a bigger deturrent. Standard reactions and no feedback at all when given proper and clear reports.. its all just to easy.
Known and respected agents in my community on both factions are more and more convinced niantic is incapable of running it,s own game. (Notice that I am really trying not to bring up prime in this point of discussion) With a great amount of fear we are heading towards September. Please Niantic step up you,re game. I see this community running empty because of random and ridiculous enforcement of nia,s own tos rules.
Ugh. Spoofers ruin the game imho.
If this 'player' supposedly travelled 737km in 3hrs 10mins, this situation should get some extra attention from Nia. Especially when the portals involved are hard to reach. You usually don't travel that distance in a small aircraft and I don't really see other ways of transportation that could take you to Fair Isle in that amount of time.
Let me first say that I'm very much against spoofing, but saying that NIA needs to support ENL more, why? Spoofers have no faction. The people doing the spoofing have no affiliation with those trying to battle the Northsea in either faction and you know that very well. The rules of reinstatement are clear and if not all requirements are met you get shafted. There will be occasions for either factions like this.
Also, how do you see NIA penalizing players that haven't got the slightest idea what a battle on the Northsea is like or that a certain portal is spoofed? You can ask for people to honor spoofed lanes, but you also very well know it can never be enforced. You want unaware agents to be punnished for something they don't even know did wrong.
And my final two cents about the matter. Everyone in this games knows spoofing happens and NIA has never been able to deal with it properly. Knowing this, both factions choose to fight a battle with hard to reach portals on a daily basis. All know beforehand that there is a reasonable risk that the money and time that is spend to take these portals can be nullified by a spoofer and both factions keep doing it anyway. Just wasting money if you ask me. Take that money and go explore other parts of the world in Ingress that are not affected by cheaters. I do it all the time.
I was talking about the well known preference NIA has for RES. Post was made with emotion though, should’ve waited with posting a comment.
Congratulations 🏆️! With the insane amount of portals that currently exist in the game, you managed to find the one he has visited hours before. I can't imagine how long that took you, having to check them manually one by one...
(Mind sharing the source of this information? 😊)
If it affects you that much emotionally, perhaps you should do as I do and don't bother about it anymore. As for your preference comment, perhaps your emotion is still getting the better of you. I'm pretty sure that our global community manager (who plays for ENL by the way) will oppose that. Also one thing doesn't go your way and the whole game is against you. That's just playing victim.
If NIA can't prove with technology that it was a spoof they appear to consider it legitimate. Irrespective of it the travel times being possible. Fair isle has no jet plane airfield. Therefore for the travel from Trondheim to Fair Isle in 3 hours,. Would require a private jet aircraft with access to aircraft carrier runway and the browns Tri athletic ability to run, swim the distance between the two.
The issue I see, is the most advanced hackers who can edit localised GPS of a router and place it at a building next to a portal or a Orolia (or similar) gps/gnss generator will be able to fool NIA best detection digital checking.
So you need to take a more human analysis approach to identify fake accounts. I.e accounts leveling in similar places and then doing something completely different on remote locations.
Ingress spoofing is a side product to anyone with the skills and assets above, and it's the cash generation from black market sales that is there goal.
NIA you make huge amounts of revenue from your games. At least look after your honest player base. Rather than becoming a capital driven company, which really doesn't fit your community or development heads persona.
Long story short... Well done Nia.. your about to **** your onw game!
Supporting cheater 👍
I have been fighting spoofers for the past 3 years and so far I haven't had the slightest idea that Niantic is keen on getting spoof accounts banned. It remains a fight between Niantic and spoof software. Developers of spoof software are and will always be one step ahead of Niantic's counter development. You simply can't point the finger to a single faction since spoofers are factionless. The thing that worries me the most is that Trusted Reporters are not trusted at all by Niantic. The moment a TR sends in a detailed report regarding a spoof action, Niantic should trust on the report. Otherwise they shouldn't be naming it a 'trusted report'. At this point i would seriously be reconsidering the Trusted Reporter status, since Niantic is flipping the bird once again.
In regards to Fair Isle, we all know that this account being mentioned couldnt have ever traveled from Norway to Fair Isle in that amount of time. We send the reports trough fasttrack, the account got banned but then was unbanned for Niantic reasons. Us, being players in the field, can only rely on Niantic's fair and neutral point of view. If Niantic says they are not banning because they believe it is a legit action, we can only abide. They are not going to ban the account so bottomline: the action was legit. Period.
Hello Niantic,
Please reopen this case, we are human and we all make mistakes.(its not to late to fix your mistake🤗)
Greets,
Harmrr
Your view on what a TR is is a bit skewed though. TR reports only jump the queue to the top. There isn't anything more to it. It's not that Trusted Reporter reports are any more valid or invalid than other player reports. Ops does their own investigation irrespective of who submits it.
Roarex States a very clear case unless the legit, according to NIA, account identifies as a apache helicopter, it is impossible to travel from Norway to that Island in 3 hours, even from the closest part of shore, it is a feat that cannot be done ar your playername should be Aquaman.
Right now RES agents in the Netherlands are being called names and threatened by ENL for cleaning up other parts of the Northsea. Fact that a spoof action isn't reversed by NIA doesn't mean the other faction should sit idle and it sure as hell is no reason to threaten people.
I don't know exactly which links RES is cleaning up that ENL is "threathening" about. But, the thing is:
ENL could have blocked the RES links which now are appearing across the north sea (from SW Norway to UK and to NL). But I was told not to by ENL - In respect to the deal to not cross "spoofed down links". Now I know that the RES don't respect the deal, so from now on I will throw links when paths are open. RES: You want ENL to respect the deal it goes both ways.
Edit before posting: Now RES has completely blocked Fair Isle by linking from Scotland to Shetland.
NIA has clearly **** the bed on this, by NOT managing to ban this agent from spoofing Fair Isle. It takes 5 minutes to figure out that it's not humanly possible to travel from Trondheim in Norway to Fair Isle in some 3,5 hours. Not by either plane or helicopter.
I hope NIA will investigate this matter further and "re-ban" the agent, restore the portal and fields.
It's also an interesting pattern I've noticed the weeks before this last spoof: .
When Fair Isle was restored by NIA and ENL fielded to Fair Isle to re-gain MU in order to win cycle, the RES were VERY eager to **** these fields. They visited Egersund daily (sometimes 2x day if I remember correct), But then suddenly no RES came to **** even though 400k+ MU were up. Then, within 24 hours Fair Isle were spoofed down. Suspicious that RES suddenly stopped visisting yes?;)
Proof it when treathened (and call the police) or do not mention it in a topic with another subject.
Nia should have restored and using the spoofer to the fullest by 1 faction is a bit strange imho
RES is afraid NIANTIC will restore the portal after loads of spoofers went by.
NIANTIC neatly restored after each spoof, lately spoofers found a way to use legit accounts to use for spoofs so NIANTIC would not detect spoof.
So resulting in a long Wait till restore.
So this is how you act against spoofers 2.0
Niantic should remove all links that shouldn't have been there if the spoofer wasn't there.
RES cant win without spoofers it seems.
Katth: I don't know what RES is beeing threathened for, or which links RES is cleaning.
But the thing is that ENL could have blocked the North Sea after RES spoofed Fair Isle. But we honored the agreement not to link over spoofed lines. Then RES decided that the spoof was legit, even though I could have blocked them hard for two days. How RES can deem the spoof legit is odd, since it's not humanly possible to travel from Trondheim to Fair Isle in 3,5 hours.
Now, RES has blocked any chance of a portal link restore. Good job!:)
It's also interesting that for several days RES came to Egersund to take down fields going to Fair Isle.. But then suddenly no RES came for 18-24 hours - and suddenly Fair Isle was spoofed down yet again. This stinks a long way.
This is not a feasible solution. Niantic will not remove actions by legit agents, regardless of whether it was possible due to spoofer actions or not.
So res took the advantage off the spoof... Or was the spoofer used to make this action possible?
We all play ingress and we all know how much effort it takes to capture portals to get an advantage on the northsee... Pity that spoofing is actually a part of the game since this spoofer turned up!
@Brennins
Indeed, "RES: You want ENL to respect the deal it goes both ways." Please do!!
You may know I was one of the founders of this deal (and you were not), way before portals were restored, and links were restored. The current deal with restored portals and links was:
I am really really really looking forward to hear how this is not respecting the deal that was made between ENL en RES: Ticket closed, Niantic did not ban and a restore was refused.
This sounds to me: there is a deal if it profits us, but when the deal leads to unforeseen or unwanted results, we will start blaming the other faction for not respecting agreements.
So yes, again: "RES: You want ENL to respect the deal it goes both ways.". Currently it is ENL who is having tantrums over agreements ENL agreed to. If you want a different agreement, start negotiating, instead of pretending a deal was different than it was in reality.
@Sideshowback
It might interest you that there is a comparable situation at this moment in Italy, where spoofers were not banned, and the lanes for a "small" field are blocked.
In that case the spoofer / links are green
(and no, I am not mentioning ENL here.... unlike many in this discussion I refuse to accuse a full faction of the actions by one spoofer who happens to be green or blue but imo without faction. Additionally I refuse to blame a full faction of the poor handling of Niantic of bans).