Machina is just killing player engagement.

SSSputnikSSSputnik ✭✭✭✭✭

So, if I wanted to go throw some casual fields I no longer can.

Even moderate size urban fields are requiring hour plus clearing time due to Machina.

If I do, then an enemy player kills the field, Machina rapidly starts adding blockers.

What used to be fun, casual play now is becoming a moderate op every time.

Others on the team are expressing similar thoughts. Machina just sucks the fun out of the game, fighting a bot is just not engaging.

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  • GrogyanGrogyan ✭✭✭✭✭

    Get your local faction players to help?

  • GrogyanGrogyan ✭✭✭✭✭

    The tools we have enable farming of large amounts of portal keys super fast.

    I've use this tactic several times already


    Double level 7 and 8 resonators come out for a short event each year, the idea is still to collaborate with your faction mates to make higher level portals

  • GreenVamGreenVam ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am changing an apartment in a city where red portals do not want to breed for an apartment in a city where there are a lot of red portals))).

    No guys, where do you get so many problems with red portals? In my city, 4 red portals have been hanging for more than a week and do not want to multiply at all, and if they are demolished, then there will be no red portals for several months at all. What is happening there that there is no escape from the red portals? I kindly envy you.

  • HosetteHosette ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GreenVam Red portals show up in droves in places where there aren't many active players. Active players aren't as likely to find a lot of red portals near them, but they may find them close by.

    I just started typing US cities into the intel map and found these:

    • Boise, Idaho
    • Lincoln, Nebraska
    • St Louis, Missouri
    • Lexington, Kentucky
    • Indianapolis, Indiana
    • Detroit, Michiga
    • Windsor, Ontario, Canada

    Even in areas that have a lot of activity there can be nests of red portals. I work near Stanford University in California and the campus has quite a lot of red on it.

  • GreenVamGreenVam ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2023

    Not certainly in that way. There are places where agents play and there is a lot of red, There are places where agents don’t play and there is no red, but there are places where agents either play or don’t play and a lonely red portal hangs for several months. The portal generation algorithm is buggy in full. And yes, the red faction never became a worthy substitute for the opposite faction.

  • MoogModularMoogModular ✭✭✭✭✭

    Machina encourages single player activity for the badge. Which is another negative.

    So does anything in Ingress if you're going for any of the badges. Anything after level 8 is extra.

  • EvilSuperHerosEvilSuperHeros ✭✭✭✭✭

    For St. Louis, MO. 50 mile radius of downtown St. Louis there are approx 3800+ portals (and I know I'm missing a ton, but zooming in/out allows for a guesstimate). Most of the portals are in the hood. Straight up bad areas to be at, let alone play in. Rest of the red is in harder to access areas, which is why they were grey to begin with. Majority of the red in St Louis is generally a 20-30 minute drive to get to.

  • SSSputnikSSSputnik ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, not all. Illuminator, mind controller and a few others I would argue are best done as a group.

  • MoogModularMoogModular ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm saying for anything for tiers beyond level 8, even when fields are group efforts - microfielding is where you progress your tiers

  • Adding PVE when there's a ton of active players would have been pointless. The PVE is needed when there's a lack of opponents.

  • KonnTowerKonnTower ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd like to see machina create fields or at least have AP gain modified to be the near equivalent of taking down microfielded enemy portals. I don't like that the portals drop gear directly and cause the timers for streetsweeper to go out of ****. Dead drops now run risk of loss.


    I'd love to see the raising of portal levels occur much slower, but also leave the portals modless and allow both green and blue agents to mod them with a reduced drop rate of items. Dirty-hacking red 8s would be a nice feature to have for players in low population areas.

  • GrogyanGrogyan ✭✭✭✭✭

    The lack of player engagement is a continual problem, especially when you're on the winning faction on the scoreboard, and won every week with no effort.


    Between the devs coding up Machina to make fields, and to show that score on the existing scoreboard

    And

    Rebuilding the task system


    The latter is definitely a better option for getting players playing more, and for Ingress to appeal to new players that have tried Ingress but prefer to play PvE with a task system

  • GreenVamGreenVam ✭✭✭✭✭

    In order for the red portals not to capture the entire city, we need the 4th faction, the yellow one, which will fight with the machine)))

    In general, what kind of laziness is this? A week passes from the first red portal to the 10-portal cluster. What? Or like in my city - a month. What? how hard is it to destroy 1-10 red portals in a month?

  • AzhreiaAzhreia ✭✭✭✭✭

    You're taking your own city as an example of a global problem. That doesn't work.

  • GreenVamGreenVam ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2023

    what happens on a global scale? I have not seen a single machine cluster that could not be cleared in 2-5 hours.

    this cluster is more than a week old.

    this cluster is more than a month old.


    I do not understand what prevents such clusters from being destroyed either in the bud or in 2-3 hours?

    Yes, I agree that there are running cases where portals breed in very rapid succession. But alas, if there are agents nearby, then their reproduction rate drops, and they can be destroyed even when the first portal has just appeared, which stands alone in red for more than 3-4 days.

  • GreenVamGreenVam ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't see any problem with this. It is possible to clear a small region (10 square kilometers in its habitat) in 1 day. And to keep it clean from red portals, you need no more than 2-3 hours a week. Of course, there are agents who like to cover from London to Melbourne, these agents, yes, will have a hard time. But for the average agent who walks around the average district of the average city, it costs nothing to clean up.

    Even more than that, I will say, I want more red portals in my house. I'm stupidly bored of butting heads with one last smurf.

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