It's incredible how such a simple thing* is still an ongoing issue after over a month and next to no communication from Niantic. The Camp Navarro portals invited the most passionate agents of the game to sacrifice their money and time to create these structures and program them to interface with the portal network, the very same agents that are probably spending a ton of money and time on stuff like Swag.
I know of at least one agent that was part of Camp Navarro that has bought multiple kits when they came up and regular CMU top ups who will not be spending a dime on the new Origin kits or anything else until the PLPs are returned. That's about $200 that won't see the lights of Niantics pockets.
*of course, we don't know how the portal network works, and it is entirely possible that it is actually quite complicated to restore the original portal and its keys. But heck, if that doesn't work, just create "copies" and distribute a passcode which contains keys for all the portals. I really want to believe in my last slimmer of hope that Niantic can at least create new portals in a few clicks without needing to work 8 hours on it.
Unfortunately, by Wayfarer's guidelines, those portals would be 1 * since they were temporary art displays. 😭
Sadly, we know Niantic could manually restore them. They also could do whatever they do to protect "Niantic Community Day Meetup Pokestops," sponsored waypoints, and NL-1331 from troll deletion; however, that assumes the current team actually cares.
A small update; the team is very aware of the value of the Navarro Portals to Ingress and the community and we are committed to getting them back online as soon as we can (and I will work to get keys out once they are). We have been working on this for several weeks now, and as a result there are thousands of Portals and Portal updates that have gone live -- just not these. :(
Right now, there are a couple of urgent tasks that have been prioritized and the team has to deliver these before we can continue investigating why the Portals have not come back online.
Please know the team has not forgotten. We will get them back online.
Why was the wayfarer discussion closed by the Wayfarer team? This is a wayfarer matter. I am sure you will get them back one day, I have spent countless hours reviewing waypoints for all games and when we ask for few important portals back that shouldnt even have been removed in the first place, nothing happens.
To be absolutely fair, it doesn't make sense to restore the portals as Wayspots into the Lightship database. These are Ingress themed portals, so they should only be in the Ingress database and not the Lightship database that is synced to all games. There already exists a way to create portals that won't appear in any other game, most notably sponsored portals.
I assume the Wayfarer team recreated the portals with the "Ingress only" flag, however for some reason these don't actually sync into the game. In that case, the Wayfarer team can't do anything about that because the Ingress teams needs to dive into their own code why POIs with the "Ingress only" flag don't sync into the game.
It sucks that the discussion was closed, but I do believe that it is out of the hands of the Wayfarer team now.
Sorry, but most of those thousands of portals are longer nightmare quality coal for Ingress agents.
They are not diamonds that offer the special experience in real world that Ingress agents are looking for.
They are no longer POIs in Japan.
They are chain convenience stores, cafes (and competitors of your sponsors who share your vision and support you), and messageboards every 100m like a game of nervous breakdown.
I understand your prioritization of urgent quality improvement tasks for the game system, but please don't add more POIs for coal.
While it is typical that the most special diamonds have been destroyed as in this case, my biggest issue at the moment is the fact that Ingress continues to be destroyed by Wayfarer teams within your company.
Ingress is a game that is founded on interacting with POIs that have a diamond-like quality.
Unlike games where the POIs are merely a place to refill items or defeat giant creatures.
And we don't want to essentially have anomaly battles over coal or only count up medals by completing missions.
I hope Niantic can finally learn something about comunication here. Not just between company/consumers. But specially inside the company itself, which it seems to be the main issue that started all.
These portals are gonna take weeks (maybe even months?) to take them back, which it could be easily avoided if the Wayfarer team were properly documented.
I appreciate Thia's heads up on this case (despite me not being an affected agent, but I can't help myself on thinking that some day a worse avoidable mistake can happen). Just don't let it sink...
I mentioned this in other places, but what about having events to restore these Portals @NianticThia ?
As part of the AgentOps, work a storyline that it is Machina who took these Portals offline. Assign a set of tasks to everyone to do x amount of hacks, KM, Machina attacks or whatever, along with a global goal.
If the global goal is met, then the Portal is restored. If not, it is held by Machina, boosting them up or something.
I was at Navarro. It was an amazing experience, and it embodied the sense of community that made me fall in love with this game. It asked us to step up and we did. I came from Sweden to participate. And it was worth it!
Considering that ingress (etc) are full of worthless filler Portals that make the game feel cheap (who really feels like a special agent when capturing a ornamented door knob?), it is especially insulting that Portals that commemorate one of the great expressions of in-game community is taken down by the very same team that refuses to take down yet another mass-produced bicycle stand.
My tips for Niantic is this: 1) cull the portal network. Leave only portals worth fighting over (a cathedral is ONE portal, not several for each Saint inside). 2) stop re-hashing the same story over and over again. You can't have the same Epiphany multiple times unless you are a goldfish. Are you a goldfish? No. You are a cool agent fighting for Humanity's Enlightenment or defending it against extra-dimensional ingression and mind control!
It would be wise for you to stop making British jokes until this issue is resolved, as it will only cause a blizzard to blow over our hearts and our attitude towards you to become more severe.
Besides, you are becoming a Wayfarer Ambassador this month.
You need to realize that most of the wayspots over the past few years have been coal, not diamonds.
If the ambassadors, including you, cannot recognize this, Wayfarer will have no future.
We do not need the low-quality wayspot and scan data Smoky Mountain created by the Pokémon Master.
As of late last week, the Portals have been restored and I'm told they have been given various protections to avoid this happening again in the future.
I did the best I could with the information I had to restore Keys to as many Agents who were impacted as possible. (Check your inventories! Note: Some who WEREN'T impacted may have keys - I'm guessing if they ever had their Drone over where these Portals were before they relocated to Antarctica or it's my understanding some of these Portals made appearances at other places.)
I'm sure there are gaps (some missed, not all hacks give keys, some had more than 1 key, etc) so I generated passcodes for the Portals; the passcodes are below and will expire the end of April.
Thank you for your patience and we're glad to get these back online for the community.
💚💙
Portal Name - Passcode
Epiphany Dawn - 93Q8U88ZO40JSKAB8SG0
Glyphcelium - T4HZR7RKYAFNF02Z0SP1
Liminal - 16ZCM1IA18KGF70A1DKX
Misty's Mind Palace - Q3PGSH9LH203R8AJYA09
Pharos - BTFDKTLHNE69GEW5A03S
Resonating Redwood - WEPB3PJ7A5KO0TXOKT2B
Team NorCal - T11PUDKTQFYRHFV1R7A2
Temple of Light - 0S50ZE956SP50EMPO2PM
The Meditation Garden of Saint Jarvis - K86MR9CA76T8XZLZMLH4
The Patron - O2W2ARA2FZT2DJIN2PW9
Transvisionary Oracle - VRAGA7W5X826BSVLZE1R
TS - Morpheus - PFBDNK2DIOIQXEM4OIVQ
Tu es qui conformat - AJXV697YNHVDF1JQFOKN
ViridCascadia - 13MAGNUS REAWAKENS Portal Created with the Omniscient Tecthulhu Module - SHTIHBB4S2YGE2971IEB
ViridCascadia - Epiphany Night portal created with the Alchemist Tecthulhu module. - G7J00HG3IIL0M5IRHPUU
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It's incredible how such a simple thing* is still an ongoing issue after over a month and next to no communication from Niantic. The Camp Navarro portals invited the most passionate agents of the game to sacrifice their money and time to create these structures and program them to interface with the portal network, the very same agents that are probably spending a ton of money and time on stuff like Swag.
I know of at least one agent that was part of Camp Navarro that has bought multiple kits when they came up and regular CMU top ups who will not be spending a dime on the new Origin kits or anything else until the PLPs are returned. That's about $200 that won't see the lights of Niantics pockets.
*of course, we don't know how the portal network works, and it is entirely possible that it is actually quite complicated to restore the original portal and its keys. But heck, if that doesn't work, just create "copies" and distribute a passcode which contains keys for all the portals. I really want to believe in my last slimmer of hope that Niantic can at least create new portals in a few clicks without needing to work 8 hours on it.
Anyone can submit all of them again with original photos and names. Even in LightShip. Niantic just has to approve them :P
An impossible task, it seems like
Unfortunately, by Wayfarer's guidelines, those portals would be 1 * since they were temporary art displays. 😭
Sadly, we know Niantic could manually restore them. They also could do whatever they do to protect "Niantic Community Day Meetup Pokestops," sponsored waypoints, and NL-1331 from troll deletion; however, that assumes the current team actually cares.
Currently, rights to the Lightship database have been taken away from the Ingress team since the October 2022 reorganization.
The Wayfarer team manager also shut down criticism of himself with a throwaway line.
Therefore, the only way left now would be to write Navarro's data into the location database held by the ingress team.
This should resolve the issue promptly.
However, it seems to us that the Ingress team is remaining silent in the hope that this issue will fade away.
Not a good attitude from an agent's point of view.
@NianticBrian @NianticThia
One question, are you prohibited by the Wayfarer team from writing even to the location database owned by the ingress team?
If yes we have to protest to the Wayfarer team.
If no, please resolve this issue as soon as possible.
Hi everyone -
A small update; the team is very aware of the value of the Navarro Portals to Ingress and the community and we are committed to getting them back online as soon as we can (and I will work to get keys out once they are). We have been working on this for several weeks now, and as a result there are thousands of Portals and Portal updates that have gone live -- just not these. :(
Right now, there are a couple of urgent tasks that have been prioritized and the team has to deliver these before we can continue investigating why the Portals have not come back online.
Please know the team has not forgotten. We will get them back online.
Why was the wayfarer discussion closed by the Wayfarer team? This is a wayfarer matter. I am sure you will get them back one day, I have spent countless hours reviewing waypoints for all games and when we ask for few important portals back that shouldnt even have been removed in the first place, nothing happens.
Thank you for the update. Understand this issue is a curveball you will need to handle in addition to the list of task you need to do.
Hopefully this will be resolved when you are able to work on it proper
To be absolutely fair, it doesn't make sense to restore the portals as Wayspots into the Lightship database. These are Ingress themed portals, so they should only be in the Ingress database and not the Lightship database that is synced to all games. There already exists a way to create portals that won't appear in any other game, most notably sponsored portals.
I assume the Wayfarer team recreated the portals with the "Ingress only" flag, however for some reason these don't actually sync into the game. In that case, the Wayfarer team can't do anything about that because the Ingress teams needs to dive into their own code why POIs with the "Ingress only" flag don't sync into the game.
It sucks that the discussion was closed, but I do believe that it is out of the hands of the Wayfarer team now.
@NianticThia
Sorry, but most of those thousands of portals are longer nightmare quality coal for Ingress agents.
They are not diamonds that offer the special experience in real world that Ingress agents are looking for.
They are no longer POIs in Japan.
They are chain convenience stores, cafes (and competitors of your sponsors who share your vision and support you), and messageboards every 100m like a game of nervous breakdown.
I understand your prioritization of urgent quality improvement tasks for the game system, but please don't add more POIs for coal.
While it is typical that the most special diamonds have been destroyed as in this case, my biggest issue at the moment is the fact that Ingress continues to be destroyed by Wayfarer teams within your company.
Ingress is a game that is founded on interacting with POIs that have a diamond-like quality.
Unlike games where the POIs are merely a place to refill items or defeat giant creatures.
And we don't want to essentially have anomaly battles over coal or only count up medals by completing missions.
A great POI is first.
That is just a method.
The point at issue here is different.
I hope Niantic can finally learn something about comunication here. Not just between company/consumers. But specially inside the company itself, which it seems to be the main issue that started all.
These portals are gonna take weeks (maybe even months?) to take them back, which it could be easily avoided if the Wayfarer team were properly documented.
I appreciate Thia's heads up on this case (despite me not being an affected agent, but I can't help myself on thinking that some day a worse avoidable mistake can happen). Just don't let it sink...
I mentioned this in other places, but what about having events to restore these Portals @NianticThia ?
As part of the AgentOps, work a storyline that it is Machina who took these Portals offline. Assign a set of tasks to everyone to do x amount of hacks, KM, Machina attacks or whatever, along with a global goal.
If the global goal is met, then the Portal is restored. If not, it is held by Machina, boosting them up or something.
Wow! Did the wayfarer NDA come with a free crack pipe?
I was at Navarro. It was an amazing experience, and it embodied the sense of community that made me fall in love with this game. It asked us to step up and we did. I came from Sweden to participate. And it was worth it!
Considering that ingress (etc) are full of worthless filler Portals that make the game feel cheap (who really feels like a special agent when capturing a ornamented door knob?), it is especially insulting that Portals that commemorate one of the great expressions of in-game community is taken down by the very same team that refuses to take down yet another mass-produced bicycle stand.
My tips for Niantic is this: 1) cull the portal network. Leave only portals worth fighting over (a cathedral is ONE portal, not several for each Saint inside). 2) stop re-hashing the same story over and over again. You can't have the same Epiphany multiple times unless you are a goldfish. Are you a goldfish? No. You are a cool agent fighting for Humanity's Enlightenment or defending it against extra-dimensional ingression and mind control!
The Holy Order of Saint Jarvis happens to be hosting the Tacoma anomaly 👀
Weeks or months to restore these is frankly BS. SoonTM indeed.
What the hell are you talking about?
Your Cool British Joke is really COOL.
It would be wise for you to stop making British jokes until this issue is resolved, as it will only cause a blizzard to blow over our hearts and our attitude towards you to become more severe.
Besides, you are becoming a Wayfarer Ambassador this month.
You need to realize that most of the wayspots over the past few years have been coal, not diamonds.
If the ambassadors, including you, cannot recognize this, Wayfarer will have no future.
We do not need the low-quality wayspot and scan data Smoky Mountain created by the Pokémon Master.
Don’t worry about it. I phrased it poorly I feel, looking back at it.
Let’s just hope the Portals get restored at some point soon.
This still isn't PokemonGo. It's Ingress. If you want your group tasks, open the correct application.
That’s fair, but it’s not like Pokémon GO is the only game with a task based system or global goals for players to achieve together.
Yall keep paying core and buying swag subscriptions, and saying "thanks" for non-update updates.
Their backkkkkkkkkkk
Thank you thank you thank youuuuu
Good
The portal key is then simply returned to the participant.
@Ishira , If you or your friends keep a list of agents who have participated in Camp Navarro, you should prepare it.
It is not known if Niantic keeps a list of participants.
Hi everyone -
As of late last week, the Portals have been restored and I'm told they have been given various protections to avoid this happening again in the future.
I did the best I could with the information I had to restore Keys to as many Agents who were impacted as possible. (Check your inventories! Note: Some who WEREN'T impacted may have keys - I'm guessing if they ever had their Drone over where these Portals were before they relocated to Antarctica or it's my understanding some of these Portals made appearances at other places.)
I'm sure there are gaps (some missed, not all hacks give keys, some had more than 1 key, etc) so I generated passcodes for the Portals; the passcodes are below and will expire the end of April.
Thank you for your patience and we're glad to get these back online for the community.
💚💙
Portal Name - Passcode
Epiphany Dawn - 93Q8U88ZO40JSKAB8SG0
Glyphcelium - T4HZR7RKYAFNF02Z0SP1
Liminal - 16ZCM1IA18KGF70A1DKX
Misty's Mind Palace - Q3PGSH9LH203R8AJYA09
Pharos - BTFDKTLHNE69GEW5A03S
Resonating Redwood - WEPB3PJ7A5KO0TXOKT2B
Team NorCal - T11PUDKTQFYRHFV1R7A2
Temple of Light - 0S50ZE956SP50EMPO2PM
The Meditation Garden of Saint Jarvis - K86MR9CA76T8XZLZMLH4
The Patron - O2W2ARA2FZT2DJIN2PW9
Transvisionary Oracle - VRAGA7W5X826BSVLZE1R
TS - Morpheus - PFBDNK2DIOIQXEM4OIVQ
Tu es qui conformat - AJXV697YNHVDF1JQFOKN
ViridCascadia - 13MAGNUS REAWAKENS Portal Created with the Omniscient Tecthulhu Module - SHTIHBB4S2YGE2971IEB
ViridCascadia - Epiphany Night portal created with the Alchemist Tecthulhu module. - G7J00HG3IIL0M5IRHPUU
Thanks for restoring Portal.
You mentioned that you took protective measures, but there are similar portals (such as XM Profiler), are they protected?
It would be helpful to hear from you as well.
Very cool, thanks for the codes.