The world should not be like that
edited November 2022 in General
Dear Niantic, please let us fight the red plague. Turn Ingress back on in Russia.
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Dear Niantic, please let us fight the red plague. Turn Ingress back on in Russia.
And in Belarusia :))
It's unclear why they were banned at all. And by the way, in Belarus, unlike the Russian Federation, you can transfer money for the game ;)
No War, No Ban. War, Ban.
Ingress is a game played in the real world and the real world has a huge problem right now.
When the Russian President decides to yank his frozen tail from the lake, things will get better.
Do not worry, the military forces of Ukraine (in which agents of both fractions serve) and civilian agents will not allow the red threat to spread beyond the borders of the Russian Federation and Belarus. Europe is reliably protected from the red threat!
The Russian President doesn’t play Ingress Prime, does he? He does not play, he is not banned.
I wish he was banned, not the agents that are arrested an be-jailed in the real world for the protests. Alas, we can’t stop the war in the real world.
I would really want to fight the red threat as well. I don't support the war and never did.
Calm down the agent, your participation is not required, we ourselves will deal with the problem.
От кого защищена? От обычных людей? Ты серьезно?
Вот знаешь, я не поддерживаю путинское начинание в вашей стране. Так же как многие американцы не поддерживали войну во Вьетнаме, протестовали даже. Сколько она там длилась, эта война вьетнамская? Несколько лет? Так почему же ты играешь в игру, родина которой - страна убийц, в игру, созданную потомками убийц, виноватых во вьетнамских смертях? А?
Может быть потому что американцы в большинстве своем не были виноваты в том, что тогда затеяло их правительство? Мб потому что люди, создавшие Ингресс, не имеют отношения к тем, кто тогда стрелял по вьетнамцам?
Так почему ты считаешь, что мы некая угроза? Мы, обычные люди, которых не спрашивали вообще, начинать ли нашей власти стрелять по вам? Если бы Путин пришел ко мне и спросил бы "Стоит такое начинать?", я бы сказала "нет". Я - угроза для тебя? DeadSunwater - угроза?
Так почему ты решил, что тебе позволено унижать меня? Потому что я не хочу в тюрьму на 15 лет? Так никто в здравом уме не захочет.
И с чего ты решил, что если тебе, которому плевать на ОПРЦ, плевать на счет в ячейках, и по сути плевать на свое сообщество, красные линки на недоступных ни для кого территориях не мешают, то они не мешают НИКОМУ? Ты пуп земли что ли?
There's a worse plague to fight there, and has the form of a man.
Those red points you see in the map are just fictional.
Did you mean the form of a very strong organization? KGB, yup. That man is not alone. ((
Impossible to fight and defeat. ((((
If i could wish something, i would wish this spreads way more and agressive. Eating all portal, white, blue or green portal until the last portal is read. And after that they shut down the servers. That would be a nice 10yrs Ending for this game.
(Id rather see a nice ending then seeing this game slowly bleed out further :D)
When civility returns, and Ingress is turned back on... agents will immediately have something to do: deal with the third faction. They won't face a sea of grey. It'll be fun and exciting.
Alas, we can’t stop the war in the real world.
Russians are protesting in large numbers. Yes. People can change the world.
I envy you so much! I guess you've never lived in a totalitarian country where all politics is based on intimidation and humiliation of people. Ordinary people here cannot change anything without having weapons against their own police and army.
Yeah, just like the Americans went out to protest over the Vietnam War. Did it help? Could a group of hippies use their banners and slogans to stop the war machine?
But the hatred and cynical "Go and **** Putin" is directed at us. We, the residents of a totalitarian country where anyone can be thrown in jail for an avatar or a repost on a social network, are being asked to do what residents of a law-governed country couldn't once do. Do you really think we are that strong and brave? I'll disappoint you, no, we're average.
I might go to a rally, but my housemate won't. He's waiting for Ukraine to be carpet-bombed and he wants it to happen.
And as long as there are people like my neighbor who support the war machine, other people will not be able to go against our government's war machine.
As long as you humiliate all the people of the country, instead of trying to reach people like my neighbor, more and more people will support Putin's decision. Because when a stranger tells you that you're ****, you want the stranger to answer for his words.
If so, then give up gas, oil and heat completely, stop paying for it at all, live without gas, oil and heat. You are the ones paying for the rockets by buying resources at a huge high price. You don't want to live like that, do you? :)
Could a group of hippies use their banners and slogans to stop the war machine?
You realize the reason the US pulled out of Vietnam was that sentiment for the war turned against continuing right? Because of all those hippies, banners, and slogans.
It's almost like you're living in a place where you've been brainwashed to believe you have no power, so that you don't ever realize that you do.
stop paying for it at all, live without gas, oil and heat.
Russians that have disappeared and never heard from again.
Why is an expatriot talking about US history?
Uh, "never-patriot". Expatriate means a person living outside their native country.
I hope you don't take this as commentary on you, but your roommate is an awful person. There have been awful Americans at any point in history too, but when good people stand up, they lose. The US left Vietnam because the people said no. The US ended segregation because good people said no. The US just in the last decade stopped denying gay folks marriage because good people said it had to change. And the way they did that was they talked. They protested. They voted. A government is only powerful if enough people let it be.
I hope your roommate, gets locked out in the cold so the blood thisty sociopath can experience what your tax dollars are inflicting on Ukraine.
Let's see... Iraq War - Protest against the war.
On February 15, millions of people protested, in approximately 800 cities around the world. Listed by the 2004 Guinness Book of Records as the largest protest in human history, protests occurred among others in the United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Germany, Switzerland, Republic of Ireland, the United States, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Syria, India, Russia, South Korea, Japan, and even McMurdo Station in Antarctica. Perhaps the largest demonstration this day occurred in London, with up to one million protestors gathering in Hyde Park; speakers included the Reverend Jesse Jackson, London mayor Ken Livingstone, and Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy. A large demonstration, also attended by perhaps around a million, took place in Madrid.
Did it do anything? Nope. I'm perhaps misquoting here, but someone said all that protesting generates is some exercise and a few memes.
Look I was freshly angered having just read about your soldiers raping and murdering civilians. My Tone was pretty harsh, and I hope you personally stay safe.
That said, you mention the Iraq war which is a prefect example of you shouldn't be able to play Ingress in Russia. The party in power, that pushed the Iraq war lost pretty soundly in 2 following elections because of that war and the 2008 Recession. It was held responsible for disrupting American lives. If Putin didn't attack Ukraine, you would be able to play Ingress. So would any Russian. He did, he caused that is is a disruption to your life. The more effective sanctions are the more your lives will be disrupted because of Putin. Think on people like your roommate who support the war. He and others like him are why you shouldn't be able to play Ingress. Thank him when you can't play Ingress.
Further the more sanctions weaken your country the safer everyone else is. Ukraine did nothing to you, and yet your country murders, and torturers its people. Your country casually threatens to nuke folks for trying to protect themselves. When your people have had their lives disrupted enough, there will then be change.
What our country is doing is awful! I've been crying since February, and I feel helpless.
But we didn't choose Putin. Elections in Russia are all fake since 2011. Maybe even earlier.
Uh, I'm Australian.
We all agree, wars ****. What I'm trying to say, is that even if half the world protests against something, the people in power are the ones pulling the strings. Protesting at best is going to get you ignored, at worst, beaten and conscripted. Anyway Niantic will probably close this thread shortly.
I do think Machina should be excluded from areas with no players though for many gameplay reasons.
Sanctions are ineffective and ill-conceived.
Here's how we live with our neighbors:
We rent an apartment from a landlord for $660 for three people (at today's rate). This rent includes central heating, gas, cleaning the common areas, garbage collection, etc. Separately, we pay only for electricity, water (according to meter readings) and the Internet (we have an unlimited apartment), this month, such additional payment totaled $ 26.41 (that is just under $ 10 per person).
This is rental housing, if a person lives in their own place, it comes out cheaper (no rent)
Do you seriously think that my neighbor and others like him suffer from these sanctions?
The sanctions have ruined the lives of Europeans. And if you believe the news, they are now protesting against the sanctions in many countries.
Next. The war in Iraq lasted 8 years (Wikipedia). For 8 years someone protested, but the war went on anyway.
The Vietnam War lasted 10 years (Wikipedia). The war lasted 10 years, despite people's protests.
About soldiers raping civilians. This is propaganda aimed at hating soldiers. You read it and take its word for it, although even the Ukrainian news admitted that it was made up. As far as I remember, the woman working in the Ukrainian government who made up such cases was fired.
In our country such cases are described in great detail in the media, evidence and facts are given that such crimes did not take place.
And also in our country there is a lot of news that everything is just the opposite, that the Ukrainian soldiers beat inhabitants simply for the fact that they speak Russian (and there are half of such people in the country). I think this is not true, because I still communicate with Ingress agents from Ukraine in general chats. Many of them are friendly with us, no matter what, and share common people and Putin. But it is us, the Ingress players, who have the opportunity to chat with ordinary people from other countries in the same way. Most Russians don't communicate with people from other countries, they don't have that kind of people-to-people connection, and so they can't get a rebuttal to what our media is saying.
Now, most people who support Putin sincerely believe that civilians are beaten in Ukraine if they start speaking Russian. Just like you believe your news.
In the same way, most people in Russia live quite normally, the sanctions have hardly affected ordinary people. These residents have parents, children, wealth. And they also have an understanding that if they go to a rally for the sake of strangers, they can lose everything, they can ruin the lives of not only themselves, but also their loved ones.
And also people in Russia have an understanding that no one will help them.
When there were protests in Belarus, did anyone help the protesters? I do not remember anything like that.
That is, you want a small group of people who play in the Ingress to go and protest, but you don't understand that it's useless here. The wars in Iraq and Vietnam ended with a change of government. The next elections in Russia will be on March 17, 2024. I really hope that by then most people won't want to see Putin and his henchmen, and will vote the right way. But as long as these people are insulted and humiliated by strangers, getting their opinion to change is very difficult. If my neighbor sees the advice here to lock him on the balcony, he'll just believe Putin even more, that's all.
Um, I am very sure a portion of both Russians and Ukranians are committing war crimes. Close the thread please.
Everyone would also be better off if the red mold in Russia were defused. Because of it, players from other countries may never be able to throw a link through our territories.
unclear why they were banned at all
Any of the following acts [...] shall qualify as an act of aggression:
(f) The action of a State in allowing its territory, which it has placed at the disposal of another State, to be used by that other State for perpetrating an act of aggression against a third State
Thanks for the lively discussion on this thread. Based on the content of the discussion, I will be closing it for future comments. I appreciate your understanding.