Here is the BANNED 2022/Nov IFS winner Artwork and how ANYONE could draw it
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The IFS Art Competition Winners (October-December 2022) were announced in Sep to the public https://archive.ph/wcJbZ and only after I did an interview (where I talked about the intention of this artwork, and my previous Ingress codename), by the end of October, for the favor of Fevgames volunteers, my work is unsurprisingly rejected in private with some cancer culture reasons (photos appended beneath) that I feel ridiculous and completely invalid. Fevgames have their own minds though and the overall power of interpretation in terms of IFS so I won't bother arguing for an appeal.
Now that I'm writing this thread to share how ANYONE could win IFS Artwork Contest, if you would like to make contributions to IFS activities but with zero to none drawing skills. The Midjourney system is involved in my workflow. It's free for trial and here is the way, taking the following artwork as an example:
- Go to Midjourney system (trial service provided in Discord channel), generate the drawing with prompt: "Two ingress mobile game players shaking hands with each other, UFO background, sci-fi, cinematic, action scene, realistic photograph"
- Keep generating or enhancing the photo until getting a satisfying one as the basic layout
- Do some modification based on that. Remember to load the RES and ENL logos
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By the way, the ban occured directly after my comment that speak poorly of the Telegram chatgroup affiliate to t.me/IUENG:
where the main moderator of the chatgroup has modified his title into "TheFlatteredOne", and the reviewer of the IFS Artwork Contest, that is, the one emailed me that my photo would be rejected, is also an admin there. Good work.
Now you know that this Ingress ecosystem is
controlledpenetrated and highly influenced by those IUENG guys. Funny.Man I wish I had the fraction of power you think we have to control the "Ingress Ecosystem" with the IUENG group.
Signed, TheFlatteredOne
correction: controlled->penetrated and highly influenced
Oh, thanks for your instant and lively discussions in your playground. Looks like you really have an internal, private chatgroup for moderators there only, because you IUENG mods instantly jumped to that topic without any context and act as everyone have seen my post instantly.
Fine, I will let players see how ridiculous of ban of my artwork, as that's what makes someone happy.
The criteria of artwork acceptable: https://archive.ph/U7URV
And that webpage is referring to an expired link for the Niantic Player Guidlines. The latest version: https://nianticlabs.com/guidelines/
My artwork fully complies with Niantic Player Guidlines and all the criterias mentioned above. That's why it was previously accepted and not received any doubts in the entire one month. However, the reviewer, who is specifically a moderator of IUENG chatgroup among not many players, is now claiming that it's not my artwork or me that have problems, but a historical post in a link to a telegram channel that I provided during the interview is not what they want (????)
Sounds ridiculous? That's how Fevgames does their job. Their playground their decisions and they always can add some rules temporarily. I don't care because I did't even expect to be chosen at first, if I didn't intentionally change my username so that those IUENG guys couldn't recognize me. They might just ban your artwork because they don't like you personally or because of a bad weather.
From what I read above, it seems that you have been caught for using AI generated art after fevgames did a second look on your submission.
Maybe the rules are outdated to consider AI art submissions but IMO, the effort taken to create the art is not justified as compared to agents who have take effort and their creativity to create the artwork/media. Hence, I believe fevgames do have the rights to reject the submission given that it's done mostly by AI and not the agent themselves.
If you do not understand what's wrong with using AI generated art as submission, then I have no comments.
It was not a caught. I directly told fevgames that I used AI drawing system.
and it's not something that should be caught, if you go through recent public artwork contests. If any contest that does not explicitly say they don't accept AI drawings, then it means acceptable. Or, the general behavior is accept for once and modify the rules for the next round.
It's never something about "what's wrong with using AI generated art" when no criteria has not been met.
Moreover, if this is the true reason then that reviewer will simply say so. Actually, that reviewer's simply bringing weird cancel culture as the reasons, in favor of the IUENG channel he/she and friend is currently running, which I have criticized multiple times for their not respecting other players the do public shaming (this unfriendly behavior has been corrected after I requested the community manager to intervene and do a house clean).
I'm making the artwork to make contributions to the IFS and now we know that they don't actually need that. Glad that my artwork won't be selected by someone who advocates cancer culture (I don't care the real purpose behind it). Not to mention the fact that I've never been "speaking poorly of the IFS art competition and previous, winning, art pieces" as said in the email.
If those IUENG guys (mods) are targeting at me, they always can find a reason. Let them feel free in their own playgrounds (including Fevgames now).
can feel its silly that got banned....
We can see clearly from the rejection that actually the reviewer is not following their own guidelines. They are adding additional rules but right after I criticize a chat group that the reviewer runs. Everyone can see that the cancer culture He/She/They introduced as the reason for rejection is somewhat farfetched, if they/he/she would like to demonstrate it directly here. Their house their rules. That's why I'm not filing complaints, but would like you to know that this is the way of some Fevgames volunteers' doing things.
Found something new.
I always thought that Niantic’s role in Ingress First Saturday events is limited, but actually the IFS Artwork contest seems run by both Fevgames (volunteers, not Niantic Employee) and Niantic in collaboration because most of the contest invitation post on this forum is posted by NianticOfficial account, if you check https://community.ingress.com/en/categories/first-saturdays
For example: https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/17488/ifs-artwork-competition-january-march-2022#latest
Thus it's not specific Fevgames volunteers do whatever they want in their own playground. It's actually Fevgames.net violating the agreement they reached with Niantic company because the IFS Artwork contest should be audited by Niantic as well before they can make any decision, especially a suspicious one, by a single person.
You must think the chats are like June 4, 1989 at Tiananmen Square.
So what did you say in your channel on September 3rd?
That the picture was generated by giving instructions to Artificial Intelligence. The IFS interview screenshot shows someone with an Asian script name said "you run with the words" because they ran AI by giving it words.
Almost everyone thinks it's not fair to compare computer-generated pictures to ones drawn by hand.
If I described to a human artist: a landscape I'd like painted - and they painted it - and I submitted it in a contest under my own name -- I would be cheating. Same if that artist is AI instead of human.
The IFS art competition could have a contest for best AI-generated picture some month. But not every month.
Hi, I think I should clear some things up here.
Yes. I am a moderator for iueng but the iueng team had nothing to do with this decision as they are not a part of the ifs art competition or ifs un.
We did not remove the artwork due to it being an AI creation either.
The removal of this artwork was due to a post made by the OP insulting previous winning artworks on his public channel. This post was found when the link to the channel was given to us by the OP in their interview to share for everyone to see, after his artwork had been accepted. This post did not portray the spirit of the contest thus as a team it was decided to drop the artwork from the competition.
Hi, IUENG creator here.
I see a bunch of false information being spread here. Take this as an official statement from the channel to clarify on your allegations.
The people that were supposed to evaluate the Agent's work have told you why your artwork was rejected. It has nothing to do with IUENG. Frankly, I couldn't care less about all the drama you're trying to spark, since it's based on absolutely false claims, and you could just leave the discussion group if you find it so repulsive.
Honestly, just take the L.
Best regards,
Carlo
They do ban longtime channel users (me, for example) with no explanation/reason, and then they all block you on telegram so you can't even ask what happened or what your transgression was. It's bizarre.
Long live fascism, I guess.
We have multiple moderators for a reason - while I can't speak for the specifics of why one may have blocked you, I know for certain the only people I have blocked that were active in IUENG were actual spam bots. If you really want to discuss why you were removed from the group, you (and anyone else) are welcome to reach out to me over telegram.
Here I just mark this wild accusation without proof presented for future reference. I never share any link directly to "a post insulting previous winining artworks" for everyone to see in my interview. If you want to make readers think like this, then prove it.
On the other hand, I have the proof that, some mods of that IUENG chatgroup is keeping tracing, analyzing and blocking me secretly. I, personally, never leaked any information of my Telegram account besides once I was contacted by a Vanguard because I successfully reported and helped ban a spoofer and some portals need restoration. Then something magical happened instantly after I pointed out some comments in that chatgroup is not proper (directly insulting me and other players) considering the fact that chat is used formally by NIantic for some Q&A session, such as https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/12307/iueng-q-a-sept-30-2020 . If any channel or chat group is used by Niantic official for even once then it should meet the Niantic guidelines. (Luckily, someone intervened and requested those moderators, some of whom directly involves the verbal attacks, to do a house clean and thus it's a compliant chat group now so no longer need make issue of it). 4
The magical thing is, some mods of that chatgroup, together with the Vanguard who contacted me once, blocked me together at the same time after that. I never leaked my Telegram ID anywhere for those mods to know or even joined that chatgroup and theoretically they are not able to do so without any information leaking (Vanguard is required to keep reporter's information as a secret). I'm not here to accuse of anyone of anything relevant to information leaking or collusion. I'm just saying something is magical, the same as the fact that the rejection of my artwork was made not directly after I sent the interview texts but after I speak poorly of that chatgroup on the forum, and it must be a pure coincidence that the one who asked me for an OPTIONAL interview and told me that "now you go away" is also a moderator of that chatgroup.
Not even trying to avoid any conflict of interest, huh?
I'll also forward this post to Niantic Global Operations because I feel vindicated that there is malpractice and Ingress FS team (as you claimed it's not your own decision) is doing whatever they like. Let them judge. I'm not appealing for a reconsideration. I'm proving that someone responsible is not following the guidelines set by Niantic and Fevgames together but their own minds and purposes.
Well, I see that you anwsered some questions nobody asked here.
Regarding the house clean I mentioned, some Niantic employees, including Brian and even the moderator of this Ingress forum, know that there were quite many improper comments there, taking extremely bad attitudes towards other players, because they were written to, or have seen some screenshots uploaded by other players. As you moderators there have done a house clean by rewritting the chat group rules, it's no longer an issue to make of. I don't care whether it's Niantic employee's asking you to do so or you do it spontaneously after being pointed out...considering the fact that your channel is used formally by NIantic for some Q&A session, such as https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/12307/iueng-q-a-sept-30-2020 it should meet the Niantic guidelines even if you have no organisational relationship with Niantic. So there is nothing for you to complain
Nobody said that your channel has something to do with the IFS Artwork Competition. I'm just saying something is magical, the same as the fact that the rejection of my artwork was made not directly after I sent the interview texts but after I speak poorly of that chatgroup affiliated to your channel on the forum, and it must be a pure coincidence that the one who asked me for an OPTIONAL interview and told me that "now you go away" is also a moderator of that chatgroup.
Not even trying to avoid any conflict of interest, huh?
I, personally, never leaked any information of my Telegram account two years ago (even my entire faction does not know it) or joined that chatgroup, besides once I was contacted by a Vanguard because I successfully reported and helped ban a spoofer and some portals need restoration. Then something magical happened instantly after I pointed out some comments in that chatgroup is not proper:
some mods of that chatgroup, together with the Vanguard who contacted me once, blocked me together at the same time after that
Must be a magic, I guess.
How about letting the one who made the decision and claim show us so that everyone could judge by themselves? If they would like to do a cancel culture, for an unprecedented first time, and forcefully address it to me, then do it in a persuasive way, please.
And please do not practice the pro.secu.tion principle of self-plea.ding gui.lty. Everyone can see this intention clearly.
Timeline:
Sep/30 the annoucement of my artwork being selected
....no questions in between
Oct/25 one Fevgames volunteer as well as IUENG chat group moderator asked me for an OPTIONAL interview with questions
Oct/25 I sent anwsers back
....no questions in between
Oct/31 I made a comment on the forum that speak poorly of the Telegram chatgroup affiliate to IUENG, and the comment is widely read by mods there (as mentioned above)
Nov/1 the same Fevgames volunteer as well as IUENG chat group moderator replied byebye, saying that one post wrote by someone in the channel with the link for which I provided in the optional review, is improper
original text: "I am informing you that it has been decided that we will not be featuring your artwork. In your interview, you provided a link to a telegram channel that you run with the words that it was launched to unite players with harmony. Yet, on further investigation, a post was made to this channel on September 3rd that speaks poorly of the IFS art competition and previous, winning, art pieces. This is not what we want to represent in our competition. Due to this situation, we will not featuring your artwork or interview on our website. This decision is final, have a good day. "
Nov/2 the same Fevgames volunteer come to the forum with a reply, saying that it's me who wrote an improper post
original text: "The removal of this artwork was due to a post made by the OP insulting previous winning artworks on his public channel. This post was found when the link to the channel was given to us by the OP in their interview to share for everyone to see, after his artwork had been accepted. This post did not portray the spirit of the contest thus as a team it was decided to drop the artwork from the competition."
What's next?
And you would think the chats are like 2021 Storming of United States Capitol?
IUENG 👏 HAS 👏NOTHING 👏 TO 👏 DO 👏 WITH 👏 NIANTIC
WE 👏 CAN 👏 DO 👏 AS 👏 WE👏 PLEASE 👏
Now, I have much more important things in actual life, than to lose time with such dramatic conspiracies on an online forum for a game. Seeya.
You're the one making the claim. One who is making such claims should provide evidence - otherwise it's heresy.
Hearsay?
Is this.... Agent A?
It is indeed, but now they seem to have been renamed to, say, Agent Z.
I've found IUENG to be a echo chamber with undeserved influence on Niantic. I'm also banned from it, I can't recall why. A fair few others agree with the echo chamber sentiment.
No, it's @Ishira making the claim. Back in the email, she said it's a historical post in the channel in the link I provided that is not proper but didn't attribute that to me. Then in this post, she elevated the accusation again:
The removal of this artwork was due to a post made by the OP insulting previous winning artworks on his public channelNo, firstly I personally did not write any post doing anything that could be seen as insulting. I'm a moderator of the channel that I provided link, that's it. Not all posts there were written or modified after written by me. It's the same idea logic that Ishira is telling everyone here that she is merely a moderator of a channel and thus everything improper with that channel can't be attributed to her. Secondly, I double checked the post she mentioned and now I'm very sure it's a neutral comment that does not involve insulting.
In case of being reported by IUENG guys, I won't provide the link of the relevant post here. What I can say is it's a neutral comment that evaluates the IFS Artwork Contest.
If they would like to do cancer culture, they should let everyone see based on what they made the wild accusation and how ridiculous it would be to see it as insulting if you see the post. And if doing cancer culture is encouraged, why Ishira could still be a fevgames stakeholder and reviewer after so many historical unfriendly comments that still exist in IUENG chatgroup that is now used by Niantic employee sometime and must follow Niantic Guidelines. Isn't she responsible for that? I will provide some proof to Niantic as well for it.