Is helping a fellow player who fc recurses to be back to L16 to fc recurse back win-trading?

An official response from Niantic would be a nice thing to have.

(fc stand for faction change, switching faction)

If an enl player fc recurses as res in order to go up to L16 as fast as possible to fc recurse back as enl.

Would helping him as an enl to make AP as a res be considered win-trading?

I’m talking about dropping him items and keys, and destroying his portals/links/fields so he can rebuild them to make him attain L16 again as fast as possible (in less than a day if possible).


I think the frontier between normal play and win-trading is not really clear.

An agreement between 2 or more players to mutually gain AP is clearly forbidden.

But what was happening at IFS when it was not from afar is not really different in my opinion. The only difference is that they are official events.


If Niantic does not officialy say it’s allowed, even if strictly not win-trading, it would be hard to keep playing normally and not be accused of win-trading from the opposite faction and risking a ban.

If ingress was a real war, changing faction would be a treason.

But it’s a game of virtual war, and fc is officialy part of the recursion.

Creating new challenges is part of the game.

I remember a x-faction challenge when 2 L8 women players from each faction had wanted to be in the same one. Each one created a second account from the opposite faction, and they start playing with the team of their new account. The res one playing with a 0 AP enl account with the enl, and vice-versa.

The first faction to attain L8 would keep the two players, one with her old account, the other with the new one freshly L8. The other accounts were destroyed afterward.

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  • ZeroHecksGivenZeroHecksGiven ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sounds like wintrading to me. Unfortunately, I think the only thing you're risking is being outcast from your own community at this point.

    Are you trying to justify your version of wintrading with the IFS action posted about here?

    I suspect you won't get any response from anyone at Niantic regarding this. They rarely respond in general, much less any of the "hard" questions like wintrading.

  • dw235dw235 ✭✭
    edited November 2021

    I’m not trying to justify wintrading. Just illustrating that the frontier between what is wintrading and what is not is hazy.

    And for the risk, I remember a player with more than a billion AP that lost his account for wintrading because he had an agreement with a player from the other faction to both do as many AP as possible during a virtual IFS. So the risk is real.

    And about the absence of response from Niantic for hard question, yes. That’s something that I hate about them because it’s a position of convenience. So we can’t use their words against them when they decide to reverse the jurisprudence.

    Same thing for not giving a reason to a ban and not having the possibility of a fair defense.

    Because it would help cheaters… sure, but more certainly because they would not be able anymore to stay an unaccountable authority.

  • mortuusmortuus ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2021

    Yes that too me sounds like its against the spirit of the game u would say.

  • SSSputnikSSSputnik ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sounds like wintrading to me.

  • For a precedent, check out the SITREP "OP: Blue for a day - L16 in 4h24m".

    https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/14788/op-blue-for-a-day-l16-in-4h24m

  • LynoocsLynoocs ✭✭✭
    edited November 2021

    does it make it unfair for both factions? yeah, this isn't a pve game

    does it get enforced by nia? lmao hell no, there are players changing factions and still playing for their old one while nia doesn't give a flying f

    the next anomalies are going to be really fun, having the other faction sabotage your ops from within

    edit: i also recursed to the other faction for the fun of it once, but didn't spare any of the old faction's portals - once you are in a faction, you play like that faction. god knows how many vr mods i smashed while doing this, even started linking to get it over with faster

  • GoblinGranateGoblinGranate ✭✭✭✭✭

    TL;DR

    "Is helping a fellow player who fc"

    Yes.

  • ToxoplasmollyToxoplasmolly ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2021

    If an enl player fc recurses as res in order to go up to L16 as fast as possible to fc recurse back as enl.

    Would helping him as an enl to make AP as a res be considered win-trading?

    I’m talking about dropping him items and keys, and destroying his portals/links/fields so he can rebuild them to make him attain L16 again as fast as possible (in less than a day if possible).

    That is win trading.

    That said, it is win trading for AP and other personal stats, which, for me, ranks somewhere around, "who really cares?"

    More concerning is that getting back up to L16 in this way is a hollow, meaningless achievement.

  • It can be an achievement if beating or trying to beat the known world record.

    And I don't see how it can be done without help.


    Thanks everyone for confirming what I also thought, that it would be classified as WT.

    Now there is only Niantic that could reverse the answer by telling that it's OK (but it would mean making a stand 😂).

  • ToxoplasmollyToxoplasmolly ✭✭✭✭✭

    Speed runs often involve help. The issue here is that the help came from a member of the opposite faction. A lot of the difficulty comes from planning for and waiting out immunity timers when using Jarvis/ADA to reset an area, or spending real money on Battle Beacons.

  • Yes I understand.

    So a way would be to help prepare the zone for maximum AP, key farming… then drop caps with everything before he fc and not help him once he has switched.

    Maybe just keeping the area clear of new blocking links or bags. It would not create wt AP for him, but help him nonetheless.

  • KhatreKhatre ✭✭✭✭✭

    it's wintrading but niantic don't care at all.

    near me a res switch to enl just to play with his res friend without having to need virus again.

    that extremely wrong and lame but despite multiples report they still make field millions Mu worth sometime green sometime blue anchored on their home, one bursting the anchor the other re throwing immediately.

  • PangarbanPangarban ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Just illustrating that the frontier between what is wintrading and what is not is hazy."

    It's not hazy at all. They have said this sort of playing together (it could even be called cooperation) is allowed at official events. And only at official events. So although it's not a case of "X behaviour is always wrong", it is quite clear when it is allowed.

  • I'm playing enl since 2013. I don't want to switch faction because enl is my faction.

    Maybe just a psychological thing to test what it does to play with the blue color.

    I've come to love seeing green on my scanner and hating blue. Some kind of conditioning.

  • Oh, so it could be done while doing an official event… interesting.

  • PangarbanPangarban ✭✭✭✭✭

    Theoretically, yes. I'm sure a lot of players would complain, but yeah.

    In fact, a lot of players recursed the night before live FS events, so that they could benefit from the heavy game play, the bonus AP, and no doubt they would try to partner up with or at least tag along with a member of the opposition.

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