Hello Ingress Forum, please help maintain professionalism & eliminate toxic behaviors against rules
TheKingEngine
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Recently I noticed that there is an ongoing malicious campaign organized by a bunch of agents targeting and against me because I politely but firmly refuted many of their incorrect theories and comments with valid evidence and proof (one typical example: https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/14309/you-might-be-kidding-again-sos-founder-acc-flew-140km-40min-defying-the-terrain-but-you-did-nothing#latest ), and then together with my friends, exposed their explicit behavior of insulting me and other players simply because we stand out to fight with cheating players proactively via the forum.
I don’t really care about such things because you can’t let everyone satisfy and during the process of fighting with cheating behaviors, agents surely will encounter resistance. And nobody would be very happy if their long-term opinions are proved to be very likely wrong because usually they are talking from the theory while I have solid practice foundation. Anyway, as long as I fully comply with the community guidelines and simply block all of them in case of trouble, how could they impair the experience of a specific agent on the forum if they are following the rules as well?
However when things come to a dangerous point where some suspicious players, including Vanguard, united from a specific channel and group, are blatantly calling me and other agents “idiots”, “toxic”,etc, and doing other inappropriate behaviors on the forum, and support such shaming in collusion via “Likes” and replies, I feel like a petition and effective report is required, in order to make a better community because such phenomenon definitely violates https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/10/community-guidelines#latest .
Yes this is an adult game and we know what’s called “trolling” and I'm fine with receiving trolls, but trollings are not like that. They are purely collective personal attacks, impersonating and threatening other players. Please, respect other players. Forum is not where you could, in a team, bully other players. We need a better community than this.
I’ve clicked the “Flag” reports for most of them but in case forum moderators will remove the context as well to solve the conflicts, I will still write them down to make it clear why those comments are not proper and should be removed without removing its context because those actions are made intentionally to irritate other players regardless of a context, so that the comments of players they are targeting could be removed and posts got closed.
I'm writing it down for forum users to know that this group of players are doing it (draggging unrelated players into battlefields in every post and hara.ss specific players) intentionally for a reason, so that your own experience of browsing the forum or managing your post would not be affected.
To not defame player and pollute the environment further, I won’t quote them directly or mention who did/wrote so and what’s his/her role on the forum, but just providing direct links to comments. I’d appreciate if moderators could take a look and achieve the necessary order for the sake of entire community.
Here are a few examples:
https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/comment/145481/#Comment_145481
In this comment, this player did not read the link (which is valid and constructive and proper to be referred to in that post) in previous quoted reply at all, but jumps to a suspicious conclusion “referencing posts that have been removed by Niantic forum moderators in every single discussion you participate in is starting to get irritating” which is a completely false statement and personal attack. Is there anyone here who could not open the link https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/comment/133679/#Comment_133679 ? Is it removed?
Actually this is the first time I'm referring to this link so what does "in every single discussion" mean? Not to mention that in previous comment https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/comment/145473/#Comment_145473 this player also said “Noted”. Noted for what? Isn’t it sort of threatening, and are all those actions proper considering the role of this player?
But this comment as a false statement somehow got a lot of Likes mainly from a specific group of players, some of which would occur repeatedly in Likes and Insightful of following comments. Everybody can see that this is abnormal.
https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/comment/145370/#Comment_145370
In this comment, this player is proactively and proud of calling other agents (me) “idiots” and “drag people into the mud from the cave you're at” on the forum which is mad
https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/comment/145530/#Comment_145530
In this comment, the same player is making totally off-topic replies and calling other players “toxicity of its own”, and emphasizing that he/she has issue with some players. Sounds horrible
https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/comment/122200#Comment_122200
https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/comment/122191#Comment_122191
https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/comment/134945#Comment_134945
In those comments, the same player is asking the forum to ban a specific player for “disruptive postings”, and insulting him/her by saying “why you bother to post”, which is undeniable insulting and 100% unacceptable
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I’ll just say that your theory about there being a campaign is false. You have created a bias many people have against you in the way you present your “theories” here in the forums. And then you take any disagreement personally, furthering your theories. Either in the disagreement button or in responses by users here.
But there absolutely isn’t some campaign or secret group working together against you.
You might be right in some cases. However everybody on the forum can see that regarding the first case I mentioned here, things are absolutely strange. A Vanguard player is not supposed to publish such offensive and especially 100% false statement against a player, and such false statement is not supposed to get so many "Likes" naturally. If you go to that specific public chat group I mentioned previously in other comments, you will indeed see some players working together against me.
And there are cases where some players call me and other players idiots and toxic and words that are much worse. I wouldn't comment on that further but I have to say if those players are accustomed to such behaviors, I won't be surprised that they don't feel any problem with toxic COMM messages in some cases. Community is where we are supposed to be friendly towards other players and making discussion in a constructive way, not where a group of people overwhelming and bullying others in a coordinated and blatant way.
I'm OK with criticism. I do not accept being bullied with dirty words and collective shaming.
Can you summarize in like a short paragraph.
Can I get a tldr?
Welcome to bias. Unfortunately, I think you've created most of it yourself. At this point, agents don’t want to read your rambling posts about how unfair the world is and your 35 posts from the last year proving how unfair you’re being treated. You are making yourself a target and I can’t figure out why you’re not understanding that. Is it kind? Probably not. Is it fair? Probably not. But around every corner lurks a @LuoboTiX that takes 15 minutes to read, not including the 4-5 forum posts we need to click on….
Bias is a real thing, in the real world. Look it up.
Seriously. You know what I said in the chat.
When you see somebody proudly calling other multiple players "idiots" and "toxic" on the forum you know that it's bullying.
When you react with "Look up, Welcome to bias" then frankly speaking I have nothing to say with you further because it's obviously helping those players bullying others that includes but are not limited to me.
Yes I am OK with criticism and trolls. They can feed me as they want which I don't care. But, is this forum OK with name calling and throwing "idiots", "ban", "toxic" on other players? And Vanguard making 100% false statement to defame players and instantly gathered a lot of likes?
This is not "I've been unfairly treated" babycry. This is report of significant VIOLATIION of Community Guidelines.
You got it, right below your comment.
He is fighting spoofers. XMA bad. Comment disagreements bad. More comment disagreements bad. Vanguard bad.
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Brosef I literally said "a" "short" paragraph.
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He calling normal players "i", "little whiny b" and organizing the collective shaming on a regular basis
I would like to clarify some things misconstrued by this player who I will not name as to not defame this player.
Agent A appears to assume that term "Noted" is a threat against them and that this is unbecoming of Agent B considering their role:
See https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/15586/hello-ingress-forum-please-help-maintain-professionalism-eliminate-toxic-behaviors-against-rules#latest paragraph 11
The comment, for reference: https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/comment/145473/#Comment_145473
Agent B will attempt to clarify for Agent A what this means. It means that Agent B has determined that anything said in disagreement to Agent A's opinion will be taken as being an attack against them or ignoring the problem, and as such Agent B has determined that no matter what Agent B might say, Agent A will not be swayed from this perception, and Agent B will not waste any more time and energy trying to explain it. How Agent A came to view this as a threat against them is baffling to Agent B.
Regarding https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/15586/hello-ingress-forum-please-help-maintain-professionalism-eliminate-toxic-behaviors-against-rules#latest paragraph 12
Agent B would also like to inform Agent A that Agent B has their own mind and opinion, and chooses to dispense Likes and Disagrees as Agent B deems appropriate. Other agents on this forum are free to Like or Disagree with Agent B's opinions and won't be held accountable for their choice of agreement/disagreement. Also, Agent B has not been a member of Channel C for over a year, so Agent A's assumption that Agent B is somehow part of a group to discredit Agent A is quite amusing to Agent B.
Agent B sincerely hopes that Agent A will realise that agents on this forum may express their own opinion of Agent A's opinions in non-verbal form by utilising the "Likes" and "Disagree" buttons and should not be forced to explain their use of this function. It is not an attack as Agent A continues to assume, but a perfectly allowable way to express an opinion without needing to verbalise it.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
I'm surprised by how someone has been bullying other players can just walk in and saying "hey here is my TED talk showing you that I did nothing wrong" like this.
Everybody can see it you in https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/comment/145481/#Comment_145481 were criticizing me of “referencing posts that have been removed by Niantic forum moderators in every single discussion you participate in is starting to get irritating” in response to https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/comment/145479/#Comment_145479
which is an obvious personal attack because none of your words in that sentence is true.
Are the posts I referred to removed by Niantic forum moderators? No.
Am I referring to posts that have been removed in every single discussion? No.
Will people feel irritated by things that I have not done? No.
Will people "Like" very obvious false statement natually? No.
You are still avoiding providing explanation why you were doing 100% false statement to bully me together with your team, the team running the campaign against me, but talking about some other things that are not relevant to this post, to make it look like you have some ground to do inappropriate behaviors on the forum defaming other players collectively.
Agent B would like to reiterate that no names were mentioned so cannot be accused of defamation.
Agent B also finds Agent A's assumptions on other agents feelings for irritation and using "Likes" amusing
So you won't explain why you intentionally made a misleading and false statement as described, which becomes part of the collective personal attacks towards me, and you see no problem doing so. Impressive.
The reasons you're getting disagrees from me, for me personally, are:
1. You say there's a secret group that disagrees with you while screenshotting a public group chat attached to a public channel.
2. Instead of joining the public group and talking directly to people who "offend" you, you're screenshotting and snitching on the forum.
3. Not only you abuse the possibility to see who disagrees with your post, but you also demand explanation why they disagree. They're not obliged to explain their reaction.
4. You do long posts which usually don't differ too much: another round of complaints how people disagree with you and think bad about you. Before I had you blocked, I usually scrolled through them and put my disagree without even reading if I saw there's some screenshots of chats. Currently I expand them just to laugh (yeah I am already prejudiced in relation to you).
5. You're trying very hard to use victim position. But it doesn't work.
Hopefully that helps.
That chat group itself is not secret and open to public, it's "a secret group of specific players enjoying shaming other players" that also talk a lot and control that chat group that makes it the term "secret group".You are asking me to join a chat group where multiple players are fond of calling me and other agents "idiots", "little whiny b", and moderators and owner are proactively supporting that behavior? That's funny.
You are simply justifying the action of you guys defaming and shaming people by talking around a few things that are not the topic of this post. But it doesn't work.
Everybody can see it clearly that it's you guys started to insult players that have different opinions with you on the forum, and if they do not surrender, organizing the continuous attacks against them both on the forum and in chat groups and making fun of them on a regular basis, and fooling everyone by saying "it's due to their own problems".
Agent B has no more energy to waste to try and explain Agent B's meanings, motives, opinions, etc, as Agent A has decided, contrary to any actual fact, that a secret group exists to discredit them and is orchestrating a flurry of dislikes on Agent A's posts, including Agent B in said orchestration.
Agent B will thus just offer some last bits of advice. Tinfoil can be recycled. People are not out to get you. The Earth is not flat. Vaccinations work. 5G is not an attempt at mind control. Lizardmen are not in control of governments. Climate change is not a hoax.
Agent B will still refrain from using names so no claim of defamation can be made.
I wish there was not only "Like" but "Love" button for such posts.
Impressive strategy used by a specific team of players:
According to the chat history, obviously I am not the first victim of your team. Let's see how long such gameplay of your team could last.
Agent B appears to have missed the memo for secret group meetings. Agent B will check to see if anything shows up in Agent B's spam folder. Agent B would like to apologise to "secret group" for failing to attend meetings and making a mess of things without their guidance.
Agent B will still refrain from using names so no claim of defamation can be made.
The secret group shall resend the meeting invite to Agent B via drone.
This community, is not for anybody to make fun of, hara.ss and bully other players, not to mention intentionally irritating and then "toxicing" other players. The guidelines have a section on treating others with respect.
You may say whatever you want, while you are not standing on the fair and correct side.
Agent B is feeling hungry. Agent B is considering getting a small pizza for lunch. Agent B contemplates eating pizza. Agent B will also keep a watch on the skies for a mysterious drone.
Agent B will still refrain from using names so no claim of defamation can be made.
/Agent B wanders off aimlessly.... oooh squirrel!
It's time to get used to the fact that the forum has become a haven for dinosaur snobs who cannot master new technologies and are furiously trying to bite those who disagree. Also, this resource has become a haven of the classic conflict between toads and smurfs. There is nothing more to say on the matter.
According to the guidelines please kindly report yourself of making off-topic replies and SPAMs, thank you in advance.
At least I tried to stop toxic phenomenon, whether it may succeed or not.
If Vanguard is helping destroy the forum then why bothering saving it.
Let me express my opinion, you are not worthy of the title of Vanguard. A lot of personal show-off and total uselessness.
Wonder if Claudija was aware of all this situation when she left :D