Allow the drone to be used for Missions

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  • TheKingEngineTheKingEngine ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    You started playing in 2013. But you are speaking in a way like you experienced things since 2012.

    Unfortunately I am the player starting playing since 2012 and I can say your description of Ingress Community is not correct.

    Completely False statement and misleading information. Plus defaming Ingress Community because forum users are never encouraged to be "aggressive". Reported.

  • mortuusmortuus ✭✭✭✭✭

    Since we have covid im surprised niantic hasnt done something with drones and mission and do a drone mission day that unlocks that badge, similar like they did with virtual NL tour and u unlocked that badge. Seems normal events like missions days and anomalies wont happen anytime soon so why not combine those and it would be safe to do from home wherever u are? dont see anything bad in that. Many newer players dont even know what mission day means....

  • Otrera35Otrera35 ✭✭✭✭

    You have a good idea which probably needs to be included in the future drone development thread. I would like to emphasize that substituting a drone for physical completion of missions for banners and spec ops badges opposes one of the main objectives of Ingress Prime and promotes "Couch-gressing." Yes, we are in the middle of a pandemic, but that should not be an excuse to avoid physical activity and sit on the couch and play. As long as you observe social distancing, wearing masks, observe transmission-based guidelines/protocols, and get vaccinated against COVID-19; it should be fine.

  • mortuusmortuus ✭✭✭✭✭

    No it shouldnt mean game needs change to sit home alldays, just saying that traveling normal for missions days and anomalies will take a while, maybe atleast another year if not more depending how situation evolves worldwide ? until then we have not much really except the fs@home events but those are kinda dull... but if niantic has no intentions doing this with drones then ok .

  • ifonzifonz ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    Don't forget some countries are still applying local restrictions, mandatory quarantine to whom travels from abroad, and facing vaccines shortage.

  • Otrera35Otrera35 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    The reasons above still do not provide sufficient grounds to alter how banners and spec ops badge should be achieved. The translator badge is already associated with the use of the drone and possibly the hacker badge as well. Also, Niantic creates special events like the recent one wherein we hacked a portal and an agent received an NL-1331 Meetup badge in response to the pandemic. Utilizing the drone to complete missions and obtain spec ops badge changes the objectives of the game. 

  • Drones should be allowed for missions. To help with construction sites and other barriers like closed parks or historical sites.

  • Otrera35Otrera35 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    Might as well change the game's name to Couch-Gress Prime when it happens. 😀 Anyway, why not create your own mission banners using accessible portals?

  • 1valdis1valdis ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bad excuse for couchgressing and removing the challenge of difficult sites.

  • Indeed, an eventual Drone Mission (Day?) should be implemented only as long as COVID pandemic is a thing. Using the Drone in regular missions? I'm really skeptic, it should have more restrictions than its regular usage: e.g. you can use it once every 24 hours to achieve a Mission Waypoint.

  • 1valdis1valdis ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    Restrictions won't do. It's like "let's have a paid 'neutralize any portal' option but you can use it once a month". The possibility alone is already enough to say "no way".

  • edited April 2021

    I could withdraw my objections if it were a paid-for single-use ability that can only be used once during a mission. And you must hack manually the other 5+ portals.

    2000 CMU to buy, and can only be used once during a mission active.

  • TheKingEngineTheKingEngine ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021


    When players pay for C.O.R.E. and many medals but spoofers, who can accomplish any mission as they like regardless of unaccessible area, are still playing wild without being effectively and efficiently handled despite many reports, you guys directly jump to "shouldn't make it free, but 2000 CMU for one hack is OK, let's pay for it" to "make things fair"?

    Absurd. Would you get a commission for that? I'd never trust a player who is money-hungry and a customer who helps any company to exploit other customers while advertising that he's on behalf of customers.

  • 1valdis1valdis ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    This is going to be fought off two ways:

    1. Have not just a hack objective on a difficult portal.

    2. Place two objectives in a difficult area.

    What are we going to do about this next? Sell a "no matter what the objective is, you can skip one portal per mission"? Or "you can skip 2 objectives per mission"?

    How about instead of resolving a consequence (unreachable portal in an abandoned mission), we try to resolve the root cause (retiring of an agent who is the mission author)? Make it possible to change ownership of a mission to an agent who would take care of it and make necessary edits. Then suddenly these "one time" shenanigans aren't needed anymore. In this case, if the mission has a difficult waypoint, it is intentionally done so.

    Until then, you could learn to ask around for accessibility before trying a banner.

  • That's why it's limited to once per mission. To guarantee that you are still there for the most part.

  • What are we going to do about this next? Sell a "no matter what the objective is, you can skip one portal per mission"? Or "you can skip 2 objectives per mission"?

    Slippery **** fallacy. Stick it to one per mission as a compromise, and if any Republican arguing tactics happen, ignore them.

  • TheKingEngineTheKingEngine ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    Changing ownership of missions and make necessary edits from your perspective? Or according to decision made by a group of people? Please don't say you did not know about Wayfarer ab.use.

    More importantly, missions are the work of authors. it belongs to the author (or probably legally speaking belongs to Niantic). They are not open-source projects. Nobody would like to see his/her work being transferred to others without his/her consent.

    It's good to build a mechanism for authors to transfer the missions to other players as they desire just like how we could transfer Google Street Views uploaded to others if we want, but forcibly changing the ownership simply because portals relevant are not accessible (easily)? This is extremely offensive and of course will be ab.used. Your ego of being reluctant to offer drone mission leads to a even more absurd proposal than 2000 CMU.

  • ToxoplasmollyToxoplasmolly ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, except the slippery incline appears to be very real in this case. It used to be you had to be at a portal to hack it. Then, we got a virtual drone that lets us hack portals without us actually being physically present. Now, we have a thread carving out a space for drones to accomplish additional in-game objectives without us actually being physically present. Where does this end?

  • That's why the compromise is making them pay for it. People will demand everything for free, but coughing up money tends to make people make real choices.

  • 1valdis1valdis ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    Exactly, a mechanism to transfer own missions to other people would do too! It would be nice to have this option as soon as possible, like even tomorrow. If you're an agent who's created a banner and don't want to watch for it anymore, transfer it to another agent you trust. Problem solved.

    Partially. Because there are still people who are totally unreachable through social networks and other means, or probably who even passed away, but still have missions and banners on them. For these cases, forced ownership change could be useful, except it must be done very carefully to prevent the abuse you've correctly seen and suggested. I'm open to ideas of such mechanism which could prevent an abuse.

    Offtopic: I also ask you to stop talking about someone's "ego". We're here to have try having a discussion, share ideas and possibly solve problems.

  • gazzas89gazzas89 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Again, I put in that the drone could only be used for less than a quarter of the portals on the mission log. No one will do them all then as it wouldn't work then and I really can't see the code being too hard to do to say "drone used more than 25%, yes, no count towards medal, no, counts towards medal" and then, if people use it for every portal on a mission, then they would have lost that for the medal. It seems you are (and far too often on any new idea) looking to only **** this down and ignore any way that it could work

  • Even a quarter, is too much, so if one and one only, on a paid option isn't a good compromise, I'm back to the "No" camp.

  • gazzas89gazzas89 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No chance it should be paid for, why should someone have to pay because a portal can't be reached at a certain time, that is sickening to even think that. And 25% might be "too much" on some, but it would still require 75% of a mission being done by walking to then. And then there's the missions that are only 6, it would let you hack 1 single portal with a drone, are you trying to say 1 portal in 6 is too much? Even just make it 10% minimum 1 (so that it's still 1 in 6). Your whole argument (that you created btw, seeing as no one ever mentioned using the drone for it all, just you and then everyone telling you that's not what was said) is that people will just sit on the couch to do it, but make it that the majority, vast majority, eeds to be done by being there and your whole argument is gone

  • edited April 2021

    Ok, I'm back to "No" then. The price was intended to make people actively choose rather than simply using the drone on every mission they do, to whatever limit you describe. If it's just carte blanche even at 25% of portals, then it's just diluting the effort of missions, because people will always use up to that limit 'if they can without impact'.

  • TheKingEngineTheKingEngine ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    He's simply refusing to take "drone mission" proposals at all, even for healthy and win-win ones that are well designed not to be abu.sed, into consideration because it "dilutes his effort of missions". Yes, this is the true reason. No need to argue with someone who insist on his own idea without listening to others, and who does not put the real reason why he does not agree with you at first but kept turning your proposal down for various absurd reasons coming to his mind every time he wrote new replies. Such arguing would not result in constructive ideas.

    In fact, to say dilute, mission fans of spoofers dilute the alleged effort of missions most. However some players always pretend to not being able to see that truth and keep torturing, with harangue, players who raised proposal to make this game more user-friendly but by no means "couchingress". Efforts won't become precious simply because someone has done a set of missions by overcoming difficulties to reach specific limited access portals. Missions are generally designed for common players, not for off road travelers or trespasser.

  • Imprint a drone watermark on top of the mission image if a drone was used...


    Redoing the mission without the drone will remove it without changing the order.

  • gazzas89gazzas89 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    Well no offence m a t e (for some reason that word is banned? Its a Scottish word for friend though), but I think no one will care I you are a no, you've pretty much given no good reason why a drone can't be used fir 1 or 2 portals in a mission, there have been loads of reasons why it's a good idea but your argument against ti's literally just "some people will use it to skip some portals", so.what? Have you considered that some people physically can't do certain places on missions? So their punishment for physical disabilities is to not finish or to have to pay to have to pay to finish? And again, some places are not open for people, so the punishment is to not finish or pay? Do you realise just how bad this makes you look? There is literally no practical downside to allowing one or 2 portals to be done by drone other than , quite frankly, gatekeepers

  • 1valdis1valdis ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    On the other side, there's no other reason y'all push usage of drones for missions, other than to not solve the actual problem of abandoned missions, but to make all missions easier, with ability to skip "that one portal which I'm too lazy to get to".

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