Upgraded and stayed up late to ensure a safer placed gym and it just got added straight to pogo.....
Currently accepted Waypoints are not getting added as portals in Ingress but are still getting synced to pogo, thus eliminating the window that allows us to influence safe pogo gym placement.
I had been planning a night of flip to place a gym in a safer car reachable spot instead of the middle of a park where the only direct pedestrian pathway doesn't get plowed in winter, essentially becoming a sheet of ice. I upgraded the nomination, saw it get accepted in the middle of the day thus allowing me time to influence the gym decision but due to the current sync bug it still hasn't been added to Ingress. Now today it gets added directly to pogo without ever having the possibility to upvote it, thus triggering the less accessible existing waypoint.
Its frustrating to make an effort to improve the safety/enjoyability of a game and getting screwed by Niantic in the process. I'm also sure there were plenty of other instances of people having their gym placement plans screwed by this bug as well as its happened for 2 days now and there is still no fix. Given the lawsuit issues caused by pogo in the past I would hope allowing players to influence the placement of pogo gyms for safety/access reasons would be a priority.
I am posting here because it is an Ingress bug that has caused the above issue and if the Ingress issue can't be fixed immediately it would benefit pogo players/Niantic to disable syncing for that game as well until the Ingress portal issue is resolved.
What does this have to do with Ingress?
It a wayfarer sub-forum and it has to do with wayfarer being bugged.
You should be banned from edits and also should get out of your car. "But it's winter." Happens every year, you can deal with.
It's an Ingress wayfarer sub-forum. Maybe if enough of you pogo people complain in the correct channels, you'll get your own forum too.
That's what you get for trying to game the system.
Yes, lets ban people people for making a good faith effort to make games safer/more accessible for everyone. Must be fun having the mind set of a small child.
Show me in the URL where it says that, or anywhere else. This is Ingress-centric Wayfarer forums.
Don't ruin Ingress with PoGo stuff.
And its an Ingress Wayfarer bug this post is complaining about and using the system as intended isn't gaming anything. Whatever, they'll just end up converting this forum over soon enough when they cancel this failed game.
This is just further evidence that we need a better way to determine which wayspots turn into gyms and a way to petition to CHANGE that when it happens poorly. I know that people here like to consider themselves above "gaming the system" and like to berate pokemon go players for trying to "manipulate" things, when it's not unreasonable to want a system that isn't randomly arbitrary and difficult. Calm down, people! Let's please stop the rampant reporting, since you're making the legitimate reports of abuse impossible to find among all the inane ones!
There are often wayspots that make fine points of interest but are not placed well to be gyms where people gather. For example there's one in town here that has been an issue. Next to an event center. People walking to raids walked through a wedding one day (stupid jerks) and now the people who own the event center are taking it out on the entire pokemon go community. I've seen them argue with people who try to use legal streetside parking to access the gym, claiming that the streetside parking belongs to their event center, and shouting at players who were on the public sidewalks (such escalations on their part are as immature as the original jerks that caused the problems) I've tried reporting the gym that cases the issues to ask for it to be moved to a wayspot at a nearby park but Niantic does not do this. There has to be some balance, some way in which locals who know the area and just want a better way can influence gym placement without encouraging abuse and or reports of it.
Ingress is a tech demo with next to no gameplay features and only one purpose: to add new Pokéstops. That said, I'm still aiming to complete it before they turn it off.
Take it to the pogo forums. This is not an ingress issue.
This, the waypoints are shared by all games and pogo being the most popular + involving gathering is going to cause the most issues/attention around people accessing said waypoints. For this reason it is ideal that players be able to impact the placement location of gyms which players are encouraged to gather/lurk at. This current wayfarer/ingress bug impacts that ability and has an adverse impact.
A gym getting placed in a poor location because of this bug and then causing issues with people accessing said waypoint still impacts Ingress and other Niantic game players as well because they are also using the same waypoints.
Glad to know accepted waypoints not showing up as portals in Ingress isn't an Ingress issue.
This isn't about accepted waypoints not showing up in ingress. This is about a person whining about a pogo issue in an ingress forum.
Ingress players take portals as they are. We get out of our cars and hike out to places. Pokemon Gyms have *no* impact on my preferred game.
A wayspot appearing in PoGo before it appears in Ingress may be new behavior, but I've never seen Niantic promise that everything would appear in Ingress first. For that matter, they've never promised that photo upvotes would influence gym selection. So I fail to see how any of this is a "bug" in Ingress.
Most of us here quite enjoy Ingress and consider it far more than a technology demo. I'll launch PoGo from time to time, and play Harry Potter a bit more, but Ingress is by far the most compelling game to me and has been for many years. The teamwork, strategy, and exploration aspects are far more compelling than the other games.
It's unfortunate that you were unable to get the gym placement you desired, but it's not an Ingress bug, and it certainly doesn't justify insulting this game.
PoGo is just doll collecting
I'll trade you my green power ranger for your blue one
I wouldn't call it a poor location, since a waypoint being placed away from the street / off the beaten path is usually preferred in Ingress because it's more durable.
Just because Pogo has more users doesn't mean your preferred placement is more valid - the waypoint should be at the point of interest, period.
There's nothing "good faith" about moving a portal on the map to a place where the POI doesn't exist. That's abuse, you know it's abuse, and you should have your submission and edit permissions revoked.
The issue being raised is not that the placement of the wayspot is incorrect, but that the glitch causing wayspots to not appear in ingress prevented the user from being able to push the gym to a new wayspot that had a better location to be upgraded to a gym.
In what way do you think the OP is trying to move a wayspot to an incorrect location? Am I missing a post? I don't see that they were trying to do that, nor do I see anyone bashing ingress (although I saw one person bashing pogo)
They are straight up illiterate, I make a post complaining about how an upgraded nomination got accepted but wasn't immediately added as a portal to Ingress because of a bug, thus adversely impacting the ability to pick the safest/most accessible location for the pogo gym.
And they turn it into "moving a portal on the map to a place where the POI doesn't exist"..... yikes
Okay so this post initially sounded like the person was trying to move the portal/waypoint closer to the road, but now that I'm re-reading, do they mean that they were trying to get the gym to be on Waypoint A on the street rather than Waypoint B in the middle of the park?
If that's the case, then this issue doesn't really affect Ingress at all.
Yes on the Waypoint A/B example, however, that plan was ruined by the current Wayfarer/Ingress bug where accepted waypoints aren't getting added to Ingress as portals immediately yet are still getting added to pogo thus eliminating any window to influence that decision. The posting here is because the above issue is caused by the fact ingress portals aren't being added atm and the impacts also go beyond Ingress.
People misunderstood the post, and it's been clarified.
The ingress bug that caused your issue is known and being worked on. Hopefully it will be resolved soon. In the meantime, we really do need a BETTER way to determine gym placement. Niantic, you want to avoid more lawsuits? Let's find a way that locals can make sure that gyms are placed on the wayspots least likely to cause issues. This week I used the voting trick to make sure a new gym landed on a local hotspot restaurant instead of a bowling alley. At first both seemed equally valid, but upon talking to the players nearby I was informed that the bowling alley has recently erected a bunch of signs insisting that the parking is for paying customers only. I would rather NOT have a new gym randomly land on a business that is likely to get irritated if 10 cars show up at odd times to do raids and block access to their paying customers. We can hope that most players will be sensible and respectful, but isn't it better not to push our luck because there's always that one idiot in the bunch.
Pogo gym creation should be 100% random then NO ONE can play the system to gain gyms or whatever. Problem solved.
And quit being lazy and get out and walk. Sheesh folks.
So you want gyms to randomly land in bad spots that happen to be valid wayspots, but encourage idiots to play while driving and or bother businesses and or other locations that aren't well suited to gatherings? You want Niantic to get sued again by something that should be preventable, but instead ends with making things worse for all of us?
Yes, I too am concerned that some players try to do stupid stuff, and I wouldn't stress too much over a gym in the center of a park, but there is absolutely no reason that gym creation SHOULD be random, as you say, and prone to cause more trouble for everyone. Most local players simply want to make things better for all of us, and we should be thanking them for their efforts. We either gotta trust the community to, usually, do what is best for the community when creating an extensive wayspot network, or not. If Niantic trusts you to submit and review wayspots, we should be focusing on trusting players to make other meaningful improvements and training/rewarding them to make sure we're doing it well.
Maybe not random, but definitely something controlled completely within Pokemon Go. Leave Ingress out of it, the two games should have nothing to do with each other. I would go so far as to say they should have different databases. I don't want all of their garbage stops in my game. But that's not going to happen, that battle is lost.
I think the gym election / creation system could be fixed though. No one's been able to game the system for Harry Potter, and that's awesome. Of course, no one plays Harry Potter, so no one cares.
The best location for a Gym is right in the midle of a park. People will gather there and have fun.
Being car friendly would Just mess up with traffic and increase accident rate.
The like system that decide gym location isn't a tool. It was a easy way do decide it since the probability of a hotspot having more pictures and like are higher, but since it was discovered how it works it became abuse.
Niantic should find a new way, but it's too busy, or too lazy or just don't care. Entirely random would perfectly end the abuse until a better way came up, like giving the preference for green areas and parks, or using OSM, or cellphone data, etc. Weather the new system became, should NOT be related with Ingress or any other game. It should be automated or decide inside it's own game. Why is ok to Harry Potter have random fortress but pokemon go not?
I thank all of the GO haters in this thread for demonstrating the intellectual capacity and social class of the average Ingress player. It's good to know that the ignorance and hate from my local Ingress player base is just the same everywhere. A credit to your community and game.