[Feature Request] Bring back Seer

PerringaidenPerringaiden ✭✭✭✭✭

With Wayfarer in full swing, we're getting a "Discovery" credit for our portals, but there's no real badge attached any more. For many people Seer was an incentive to go out and find things. It also caused a lot of bad submissions but a few things have changed since then:

  1. Wayfarer gets a far more diverse reviewer crowd in order to get better results.
  2. There is a fortnightly cap on submissions, so people have an incentive to make better submissions instead of wasting them on sock trees.
  3. The submission criteria has been expanded and far more things can be portals.

It would be a really nice encouragement to get people back out there, if the Seer badge could start ticking again, and give existing credit into it for the portals discovered since 1st January 2015. It would also allow another badge in the profile to be progressable again, instead of locked at an old and unchanging value.

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  • XK150XK150 ✭✭✭✭

    Is there anything about Ingress you actually like?

  • I have Seer Platinum and I do love traveling and submit portals. However, when the Seer existed I saw a lot of duplication and very poor portals being made in the begin of the game because most part of the players just want the badge, they didn’t care about the rules or the portals.

    I would like to be able to keep improving my Seer badge and maybe now with the Wayfarer we could have it back but I still feel like we have more to lose instead of gain bringing it back.

  • PerringaidenPerringaiden ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 7

    Yep. 2012-2015 before they made all the changes that have nose-dived the player-base. Many of these requests are to bring back the things that we enjoyed when Ingress was popular...

    That said, you ask for the game you want, and play the game you have. I just pipped 150 million AP.

    We're not in the "Tell us what you like and don't want to change" category.

  • PerringaidenPerringaiden ✭✭✭✭✭

    With the restrictions on submissions now, people have to be far more careful not to waste submissions, if they're going for Seer levels. I feel like that alone would curb some people's enthusiasm.

  • 1valdis1valdis ✭✭✭

    No. Seer shouldn't return, otherwise people will submit everything and approve everything so that other people could get the badge.

  • HydraulinskiHydraulinski ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 7

    People already do that, just for the sake of having one more.

    Bringing back Seer will actually help improve the Network. See, now will have competition with PoGo players. Giving ingress the return of Seer will incentive ingress players to do more submissions, and (it's not universal but) usually ingress players make better submissions.

    The recon badge isn't a substitute for seer, since most player don't care for it, while almost every player want to create new portal every now and then.

  • starwortstarwort ✭✭✭✭

    I was annoyed at Niantic for what they did to Seer. Namely: they had a problem with a large backlog of submissions so in order to reduce the submission rate they said "any portals you submit now won't count", so I did what they wanted and stopped submitting; then after a couple of years they instituted OPR and managed to clear up the backlog, and finally re-introduced submissions with a fortnightly limit so as to stem the tide. So once the problem was sorted, instead of putting Seer back they said "any portals you submit now definitely won't count, but those portals you submitted earlier when we said it wouldn't count will count after all". So I was punished for having done what they wanted, and as a result I basically stopped submitting portals (Seer count: 29; total discovered: 33). I would love to see Seer back; but on the other hand, I kind of think that ship has sailed.

    Given all the PoGo submitters that are around now, I don't think we need any incentive to go submit more portals. Actually to a large extent I don't think we need more portals - we already have too many what with every postbox and every swing-and-a-slide playground appearing on the scanner. I was very selective about what I would submit for a portal, back in the day (but still, some portals were rejected for no reason; at least five portals that I had rejected - and appealed in one case to no avail - are now portals submitted by someone else).

  • PerringaidenPerringaiden ✭✭✭✭✭

    I disagree that we have "enough portals", but I see what you're saying. The thing is, those new playgrounds etc are Niantic's rules changing. The postbox thing, well the UK has gone a little absurd with their interpretation and Niantic has done nothing to change that, but otherwise, the approvals are all based on Niantic's criteria.

    I actually think Seer would have a good effect on submissions from Ingress Agents, because they would be more inclined to seek out "easy wins" instead of using their submissions to cram more into their own local area with a high hit or miss rate.

  • PerringaidenPerringaiden ✭✭✭✭✭

    One other point on bringing back Seer. They should lower the requirement for Black to 1000 or 2000, to reduce the large gap of spam needed.

  • HydraulinskiHydraulinski ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13

    Agreed. In the current format, 14 proposals every two weeks, equals 365 proposals by year, considering that all will be approved, it would take 13 years to get black...

    1000 is already hard enough, taking 3 years at best. I'm didnt reach 500 yet, in two year. And I'm probably the second top submitter in my region.

  • PerringaidenPerringaiden ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, taking my other suggestion of getting extra submissions from review agreements, it's more achievable too. :-)

  • At 426 approvals it would be nice to get credit for them.

  • grendelwulfgrendelwulf ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another advantage to bringing back seer: any level 40 pokemon go players that are on the fence about taking up ingress will have a head start on two medals toward leveling up.

  • mortuusmortuus ✭✭✭✭

    latest live video ezekiel hinted about seer...

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