Where are the limits for multi-account and account sharing?

Hi!

Today I had a discussion with some players about multi-account and account sharring.

Based of my gaming experience, till now, this were described like this:

  1. Account sharing = sharring your accout info with other person/player and logging it on his device/devices.
  2. Multiple-account = using 2 or more accounts on same device. Always was legal to use/log more accounts if each of those is logged on different device. There are games that not allow to play with more than 1 account/pc or device but never was a devices limit.

Now, on Niantic ToS, this terms are not very well described and here is my question: If my wife goes inside a shop and leave me her phone for 5 minutes to deploy some portals, by example, do I break any of those 2 terms? I am asking this because in any other game you play, as long as account stays logged on owner's device which was not declared stolen or taken by force, is legal some other person to play.

Would be nice if someone for NianticsOps would clear this thing.


Thank you!

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  • HydracyanHydracyan ✭✭✭✭✭

    So by your logical if you have two houses you can cheat your wife in the extra house?

  • Greed....

  • BloodyHeartBloodyHeart ✭✭
    edited December 2019

    @grendelwulf @montitcha @CataCat

    Please make a screenshot where exactly is this rule in ToS:

    "1 account = 1 person = 1 localisation"

    If would be like this, game should verify our identity everytime we log into game to enforce this rule because anyone from outside wouldn't know if the one who's playing is the real owner. As far as I know, there is no game in this world that check identity on login to limit person to use only one account. That's why, in all games with single login they accept lots of devices for same person as long as on every device is 1 account used.

    Now, I understand that maybe this sound unfair but if is a bit of difference between what everyone want and what rules can be enforced in ToS to not break GPDR rights. Even if I don't like it, in my opinion is TOTALLY LEGAL for a player to have multiple phones with accounts because that person maybe buy packs with all acounts to fight against a faction while he is alone in his area for his faction. Sometimes to keep area active, you need to have more accounts and more phones. If portals would have defense multiplied with factions proportions, would be more interesting and challenging. By example, in my area we are 2 REZ active and there are 6 ENL active which also do cargress so would be nice to see portal defense multiplied by 3 or more and when GPS detects big speed movement to block all actions in game except hacking till player stops for 3 minutes.

    Like ingame shop, to have multiple devices for multiple accounts means money to spend and also maybe money to be spend in Niantic shop. So, for this game some people can spend more money while others wouldn't buy anything which already affects game balance.


    That's why I asked for @NianticOfficial Ops to clear this or update ToS.

  • BloodyHeartBloodyHeart ✭✭
    edited December 2019

    @Perringaiden can you post a screenshot from ToS where exactly is this rule? People play following rules in ToS not by how fair it looks or not.

  • BloodyHeartBloodyHeart ✭✭
    edited December 2019

    @Perringaiden Please read this from your screenshot:

    the Terms govern your use of the Apps and Platform. The Terms also govern your interaction with any websites we own or operate (“Sites”), purchase of any Niantic merchandise, participation in Niantic live events or promotions (“Events”), and more generally your use of any Niantic products or services (together with Apps and Platform, the “Services”).

    This means that guidelines is how they recommend to play the game but not enforced. Like in any other game, ToS estabilish where are the limits and there info is different:

    Cheating includes, but is not limited to, any of the following behavior, on your own behalf or on behalf of others:

    • Accessing Services in an unauthorized manner (including using modified or unofficial third party software);
    • Playing with multiple accounts for the same Service;
    • Sharing accounts;
    • Using any techniques to alter or falsify a device’s location (for example through GPS spoofing); and/or
    • Selling or trading accounts.

    As you can see, in ToS something is missing, there is nothing to enforce "1 account = 1 person = 1 localisation".

    "Playing with multiple accounts for the same Service;" doesn't cover multiple devices and is covering only 1 device which we know is banable to use mutiple accounts on same device using same "Service". I am sure that whoever wrote ToS knew that some people can afford multiple devices but the limit was set for multiple accounts on same device and not for mutiple devices with their unique accounts. As long as Niantic doesn't have tools to control players ID's they can't enforce this rule and that's why is in Guidelines. In any game your account get suspended/banned based on ToS/EULA breaking and not Guidelines because info there is INDICATIVE ONLY.

    Like I said before, I still wait for someone from @NianticOfficial, @NianticAkshay, @NianticAustin, @NianticBC, @NianticBrian or @NianticCasey to clear this and update ToS with right info and explain how this things will be controlled without abuse because nobody can't enforce rules if can't verify/control them.

  • HydracyanHydracyan ✭✭✭✭✭

    By example, in my area we are 2 REZ active and there are 6 ENL active which also do cargress so would be nice to see portal defense multiplied by 3 or more and when GPS detects big speed movement to block all actions in game except hacking till player stops for 3 minutes.

    @BloodyHeart are you implying that is forbidden using vehicles to move around?

  • BloodyHeartBloodyHeart ✭✭
    edited December 2019

    @Hydraulinski that's how in 2013 game was developed and presented because else should put all portals in car parks to not use so much fuel and keep a clean air, else @NianticOfficial should start to pay some polution taxes if game was designed for driving 😉

    And like this, look how ToS need a rule for this too. 🤣

  • BloodyHeartBloodyHeart ✭✭
    edited December 2019

    @Perringaiden as long as mutiple devices is not specified, rules applies for 1 device only and I am not a lawyer to know that. Show this to a lawyer and will explain you better. 😉

    And if you wanna go "deeper", as long as ToS is targetting the reading person and is relating with this, accordint to "Sharing accounts;" rule means that you can have multiple accounts and is forbidden to share them and because the previous is not saying anything about multiple devices, strenghtens the fact that you can have multiple accounts but on different devices.

  • HydracyanHydracyan ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2019

    Oh yeah, so this portal 2000km away from my actual location... I need to go by foot there?

  • @Perringaiden I don't understand why are you not interested to have a CLEAR AND UPDATED ToS for everyone? In ToS say very clear that the Terms govern your use of the Apps and Platform. So Guidelines are not part of anything. If is different, They shoud add in ToS the Terms and Guidelines govern your use of the Apps and Platform BUT IT DOESN'T. Please stop spam and let @NianticOfficial to sort this.


    @Hydraulinski there is a bit of difference between going 2000km to a portal, leaving car in car park and hack/attack/deploy resonators to a portal and farming/attacking/deploying resonators running around by car all day. In the end, if this is ok, write this in ToS too and I think New York will be the 1st that will sue Niantic for polution increase made by its players and London and Paris will join too but I bet never something like this will be written because will be like kicking yourself in balls.

  • MoogModularMoogModular ✭✭✭✭✭

    You're assuming they are monogamous and/or an action not involving the wife is cheating.

  • I can't desagree.

    I never understood why most of people don't realise it about cargress style, it's such a reductive gameplay style and they can't walking or biking, except for IFS, Anomalies, Mission Day or events like these.

    Ingress it is something like a sport, let's exercise!

  • GoblinGranateGoblinGranate ✭✭✭✭✭

    You are all wrong :D

    It matters not where or how rules are written if trespassers and abusers are not punished consequently.

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