Win-trading?
Please remind me. Was it removed from the ToS? Is it now a “let your conscience be you guide” type thing? Or a “in the spirit of the game” type thing? I recall it was addressed in an AMA, but I wouldn’t know where to start looking, so I thought to bring my inquiry to you guys.
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Written that all types of fraud cannot be listed in the rules. That is why wintrading also refers to fraud and is punished.
The answer was at the AMA in January or February. And he was on Google Plus. Hard to find answers.
A copy of the old rules was found.:
"Cheating: Don't do it. Play fair. Only use official Niantic Labs software and remember Ingress is meant to be played on a mobile device and get you outside to explore your world! Methods of cheating, unfortunately, are limited only by cheaters' imaginations, but include at a minimum the following: using modified or unofficial software, playing with multiple accounts (one account per player, please); sharing accounts; !win trading!; using tools or techniques to alter or falsify your location; or selling or trading accounts. If you suspect someone of cheating, don't call them out in Comm or demand they show their face, just report it via the Help Center and focus on your mission."
I have an agent that would like to get together with a member of the opposite faction, and battle. He wants to know if this is win-trading, and wants to know if it is against ToS. What he’s asking about is not deceptive. Fraud can be a lot of things, but it is always deceptive. I wholeheartedly do not think this qualifies as fraud. I’m not asking for people’s interpretation of ToS. I’m asking for someone to point me in the direction of the AMA that regarded win-trading, in more recent times, or someone that can refresh my memory to the 2¢ Krug has put in regarding this topic. My memory serves me that it’s legit play if it is within “the spirit of the game.”
Perhaps take a look at https://ingressama.com/search?q=wintrading. Maybe search for alternate spellings, as well.
Thank you. I haven’t looked it over, but I believe this is precisely what I was hoping to come across. I knew someone here could help me. Again, thank you.
Please, could you clarify how is Win-Trading being currently punished?
Also, describe how to build the ticket to report it.
Please.
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It is not, niantic even sell r1 in the store to do it (ifs pack)
If the two agents agree to play in the same zone at a set time to maximize AP, it is win trading.
If one players challenges the opponent dramatically, posing in front of the moon and declaring "mwhahaha! You'll never be able to take over the neighborhood!" and the other replies with a cape waving dramatically in the wind, then it's not win trading.
To quote Megamind, the difference is presentation.
Intentionally colluding with an opponent to gain AP through means of easy wins is incontrovertibly cheating.
The player Guidelines do not cover all cases of cheating, and common sense should be applied. They don't need to declare win-trading as officially cheating, because it's a common sense concept.
It was most likely removed to stop all the people yelling about how a blue and a green Agent doing missions together is win-trading.
Honestly speaking, I cannot tell the fundamental difference between an organized, typical so-called win-trading (two players set a time, say, one deploys low-level resos to get 625 and the other burstered it immediately) and similar things during IFS, or even during XMA. I believe that Niantic removed the win-trading from ToS simply because even they themselves have no idea on how to define a win-trading. That's why I don't think Niantic will punish win-trading as seriously as spoofing and multi-accounts.
However, I respect the fact that some players want that still being enforced. What they can easily do is to exclude win-trading players from the factional community. I know some stories like this.
Remind that Ingress world is the same as the real world. People have different cultures and beliefs. I am cool with the rule diversity, that in one region win-trading is as bad as spoofing but in another place everyone enjoy it. Practically what I will do is to see and ask what local players do, then, just as it stated in the currect ToS, “let (my) conscience be (my) guide”.
Pero xk no toman encerio cuando se reporta cuando tienes las pruebas de los agentes botando y tomando los portales por más de 10 minutos deberían esos casos ya que no son justos😠
Taking turns capturing and attacking a portal is win trading. Battling over a portal is fair game.
While theoretically against the rules, Win-trading is super hard to prove and I don't know anyone who was penalized for this. Even when it looks super obvious to other players in COMM, players involved can just say they were accidentaly in the same zone.
but what is different if 1 agent of each team is somewhere and both fire, cap, fire, cap etc etc... ?
Imagine a trench between enemy lines. Both side want it. Are they taking turns holding and capturing the trench or are they legitimately killing each other to hold the trench as long as possible?
@grendelwulf is right, @Svizac28 , there is a huge difference between fighting to maintain the control of the portal and fighting just to get it.
Basically, they are not defending the portal.