Scout halls

What would you score a scout hall? Here in the UK there a large number of scout group halls that have been approved. I've tried to submit 3 or 4 times my local scout hall and it comes back rejected.


What rating would you give it??

Comments

  • Except for the guidelines, I don't see why they should be rejected and soccer organisations etc shouldn't. Scouts have a lot of common with Ingress and should even consider in working together.

    Consider me a badboy, but I don't reject scout halls, as long you don't have to trespass.

  • I get where your coming from but I personally wouldn't agree it's a school. But thanks for your thoughts if any one else thinks the same or differently please let me know.


    My argument for it being accepted would be that they are a meeting place for children. They are all that niantic stand for, outdoors, exploration, discovery, community. Lol I wouldn't be surprised if there was some form of badge in the scouts for computer games.

  • KliffingtonKliffington ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's not really their opinion if Niantic has confirmed

  • Where have they confirmed that? Surely if it's a straight reject it would say so in the guidelines.

  • 0X00FF000X00FF00 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The "umbrella" guideline is shorthanded as "K12", which includes

    • primary-secondary schools
    • daycare
    • and as confirmed by an AMA youth-oriented POIs such as scout camps
  • So they update the the whole of the website that spells out what shouldn't be submitted and they for get to put on scout camps and halls


    "Nominations on the grounds of primary/ elementary schools, secondary/high schools, preschools, kindergartens, or child care centers

     

    Universities and higher education institutions are acceptable."


    Taken directly from there website and no mention of k12 on there any more.

  • AgentB0ssAgentB0ss ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why are people still posting about this:

    The AMA literally says Scouts = NO

    "W21Q75: Thibasch (Thibasch) - In OPR I see more and more submission of scout camp or scout installations. Personnally I would tend to consider these as school as the scouts are mostly children between 6 and 18 years but I would like to know your and Niantic's point of view

    A75: We agree."

    Now if the scouts meet at a Church like once a week, that would not disqualify that. The primary function is not child related..

  • RostwoldRostwold ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm glad K-12 is gone, as it's an American term that means nothing to most of the world, but this guidance is really annoying, I just had a portal on a Further Education site rejected for being a "school" (which it's not), but this guidance leaves Further Education (between school and university) in limbo. Why can't they specify the age of child that's not allowed, it's such an obvious improvement on phrases that don't match education models world wide and lead to inconsistent results?

  • 0X00FF000X00FF00 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2019

    "K12" is American shorthand for "kindergarten/primary/elementary/secondary/high" schools. And we only rarely have to explain the terminology here or on reddit.

  • UK xfac opr group, we literally had days long discussions about it many a moon ago.

    16+ is classed as an adult, of sorts, in the UK. 18+ is an adult.

    Colleges are for people 16+, and previously we were generally fine accepting them and submitting them.

    Iirc k12 goes to 18+?


    It's not clear cut as a definitive term globally, so I imagine many other countries had similar discussions etc.

  • This site has the older range of scouts which I may be wrong but I think it's called the rangers. So may go with that.


    I knew k12 is an American term but here means nothing. The fact that it's not on the official submissions guide to me says it should be approved.

  • AgentB0ssAgentB0ss ✭✭✭✭✭

    That doesn't change this as there is no mention of K12.


    "W21Q75: Thibasch (Thibasch) - In OPR I see more and more submission of scout camp or scout installations. Personnally I would tend to consider these as school as the scouts are mostly children between 6 and 18 years but I would like to know your and Niantic's point of view

    A75: We agree."

  • KliffingtonKliffington ✭✭✭✭✭

    They're not going to list everything. I'm not quite sure how we should approach old AMAs right now with the new systems but I think a youth camp would fall under the same restrictions as a child care center. It's something you should ask about the next AMA but expect rejections until then

  • As I say it's not a camp it's a social hall owned by the scouts it has other activities but as I say its primarily scout group.

    If they dont list everything then it's open to interpretation. Niantic can't rework the site and leave off things off. They clearly tell you what is not acceptable and what is grey areas shouldn't be left to the ingress community as so many other scout halls in the UK have been approved and I have also had 1 accepted already.

  • College, in the American sense, refers to a post-secondary educational institution. So it's what the rest of the world would call a university.

  • Bad portals existing doesn't mean we should accept more bad portals.


    The most recent AMA guidance says to reject them, and people will just keep taking the easy agreements until told otherwise, because it's what's supposed to be done. No amount of complaining here will change that

  • My local scouts hall is also a pub, so when I submitted i based the submission on it being a pub with a hall for hire (which the scouts use). Even though it has scouts in the name on the sign it was accepted, I would look at anyone else’s in the same way. If it was just a scouts hall without a pub I wouldn’t attempt it.

  • JSteve0JSteve0 ✭✭✭
    edited October 2019

    Scout Halls are community gathering spots that include scout meetings as one of the activities held there. From wikipedia: A Scout hall is a building owned or rented and used as a meeting place by a Scout Group.

    I am not sure the guidance is as cut and dried as some of you are making it out to be.

    Scout camps are basically only there for youth scouting activities. With the exception of Philmont Scout Ranch in New Mexico, USA which hosts a lot of adult leadership courses, I see the wisdom in excluding portals from scout camps.

    But Scout Halls have more in common with a city-sponsored community centers, VFW halls or Elks Lodges than they do with scout camp as they can double as meeting venues for many other social activities.

  • AgentB0ssAgentB0ss ✭✭✭✭✭

    It depends on what is seen and how its presented.

    Example; I see alot that the only signage says Scout Hall, im going to reject this as its primary function for scouts.

    Example 2: A Church learning center that hosts the scouts... well this is for the church and they are letting the scouts use it. This should be approved.

  • GearGliderGearGlider ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good point. In the US, a school can be used as a voting place, a place for adult athletic orgs to meet and play, auditoriums for bands and performances independent of the school, but it's primary and foremost use is as a school.


    With similar reasoning, Scouting Halls can be used for many things by many orgs, but it's primary use is for Youth Scouting activities. And since it's a building for a group of youths, instead of a place for parents to take their kids in a public setting like a playground, it'd be harder to argue it could be acceptable like playgrounds are.

    Probably still worth asking the next Krug AMA.

  • Would be nice to have some collection of guidance for what is or is not suitable for waypoints. If people are going purely with the information on the wayfarer site, there are many things that are in or out that are elaborated on through the AMAs.

    That said, if this already exists, then it needs to be better advertised.

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