BAN OPR ABUSERS!
When is Nia. going to ban those who constantly abuse OPR. We have found in our small community that just because we hold regional control that a certain group of agents out of spite are clearly rejecting legitimate submissions.
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What about the creators of fake portals? In my hometown (Dinslaken, Germany ) it is meanwhile a kind of sport, installing non-existing portals like "Stolpersteine" or "Playgrounds".
I agree, OPR needs a report button for obvious **** portals that adds nothing, even if u 1 star those it would be good if u could actually report them so that people that keeps abusing opr by submitting low quality portals should get banned from Opr..
@Dungarbhain would be Nice a New option while report specific for "possible fake" resulting in a ban for the creator.
yeah works both ways - ban for abuse - Nia outlined this when OPR was rolled out, yet we see nothing, if at all there is an escalation of abuse!
There has been a wave of notifications going out to people who submit a lot of fake portal edits, which is I think a good first step.
Essa realidade é triste, porém muito comum. Tem pessoas que negam por maldade e outras que simplesmente nem conhecem os critérios, avaliam para ganhar pontos de medalha da maneira que acham corretos (sem seguir as regras)
@DSoT88 out of interest, how have you found this out and what actual proof do you have ?
How can you be so sure it was legitimate submission?
@Hydraulinski Give me a break!, simple because they meet the criteria!
Well @Theisman
1) Not a Nia rejection
2) Meets the criteria set out for a portal candidate
3) Smurfs play a hate game in our region.
Hope that clarifies it up for ya.
As soon as an "abuse / report" button arrives on OPR I can guarantee it will change the nature of the game: getting genuine people banned from OPR. :P
My suggestion is to do your best with gathering a solid amount of proof, then submitting it as a complaint with Niantic's help department. I'd like to know their response and how they plan to handle such falsities. OPR ban seems like a good start.
@jplolo good luck getting a response from the so-called help department.
@DSoT88 I have pretty good luck getting help from them. It usually takes a few days, and I've had to follow up before, but I've always gotten a response that fixes my problem or advises me on what to do next.
The abuse can also be the other way around. Giving 5 Stars to everything submitted from their fellow Agents, no matter the faction. I know, you all dont like pokemon bashing, but it's just fact that some Trainers around here level to 12 in Ingress only to vote each others submitances up, wether they are according to guidlines or not.
@jplolo sounds like your an exception to the rule with the many issues you to seem to encounter. interesting.
Well, poop. Yeah, that is interesting. I do tend to provide a ton of screenshots and data, and so on, in hopes of being taken seriously right away. Not sure if that has anything to do with it.
Do you realize that portal reviews are not only up to local agents? I get reviews for portals in every state in the United States, Mexico, the Caribbeans, around Guam, and sometimes Canada.
Chances are you need to brush up on submission guidelines.
@DSoT88 so no actual proof whatsoever is what your saying.
Also its been clarified that a sub is assessed by people of both factions, so if its being rejected, some on your faction are also 1*ing it.
@Theisman Your not actually adding value to the conversation by blatantly denying that abuse occurs, wide spread issue, recognized by others that they have the same issue. Go bury your head back in the sand, unless you can come up with something constructive to add. Gez I wonder why Nia then created a violation clause of a non-existent issue according to you. 🙃 My advice is to listen to the community and the numerous issues around OPR, reddit is a good source outlining the same issues surrounding abuse.
Chances are "No", I am fully aware of sub guidelines. Chances are you need to brush up on the issues plaguing OPR. Please add in constructive responses in future.
@DSoT88 you may want to re read my posts, at no point have i denied anything, all i have done is ask for proof, which you seem unwilling or unable to provide.
@ArtilectZed is correct in stating that portal reviews are not carried out over a small local area to prevent local faction rivalry from having an effect on reviewing.
I will again state that it has been clarified that submissions are reviewed by BOTH sides, so in order for your submissions to be rejected, your own team are also rejecting your candidates.
Also you haven not even stated what kind of things you have submitted which you consider a quality candidate, all you have done during your posts is used generalizations without any information or evidence.
If you want your thread to be constructive why not include details of the candidates you submitted and the accompanying pictures to prove that the candidates and pictures are of good quality
@Theisman your now confusing yourself, if "you" care to read the brief correctly! There is no mention that its limited to one faction. To continue to demand "proof" is seriously erroneous. One hate's repeating themselves but for your sake here goes. (There was a violation clause on OPR abuse). You are clearly ill-informed on the subject matter and are mis-leading agents that OPR abuse does not exist. Please stop hi-jacking this thread repeating the same ill-informed comments.
@DSoT88 You stated it yourself in your opening post that it was one group of agents due to the fact it is an area held by another
You also again claimed that it is resistance agents that are causing your submissions to be rejected.
In order to prove abuse you need proof that it is happening otherwise it is your word against theres, and as you are unwilling or unable to provide proof, or even provide details of your submissions on here in order for their quality to be judged, you are simply failing to help yourself.
You can claim abuse all you want, but you have not provided ANYTHING to substantiate your claims or even proved that your submissions are of sufficent quality.
@DSoT88 All I'm hearing is accusations without evidence. Will you provide examples of your nominations so that others can review them and spot any potential problems or give insight into why those nominations where rejected? I've seen plenty of times where someone thinks their nomination is perfectly legitimate only to run afoul of one or more of the exclusion criteria (fenceline of private residential property or school, unsafe pedestrian access, etc.)
I'm sorry you're not getting the responses you hoped for here, but you have yet to show any proof, and it appears that you're making baseless claims. It's literally impossible for portal submissions to be denied because "We have found in our small community that just because we hold regional control that a certain group of agents out of spite are clearly rejecting legitimate submissions." If you understood how OPR works, you would realize that. Good luck fooling yourself farther, though, you seem stuck thinking that you have to.
There are a couple of different categories...
(1) submit fake portals - either real item at wrong location, or fake or photoshopped picture at a possible location or the clone of an existing portal.
(2) blocking by region - accepting by region - I mean - while doing OPR checking the region - if that's one's own color, admitting the portal, if not, rejecting. This also means blocking - accepting portals at home zones of specific agents.
(3) senseless moving of existing portals - be it for a couple of inches, or to one's home or away from one's home or in a way it hits the next cell or moving after submitting in a different cell so it becomes an arena - whatnot - and then moving it to somewhere else.
(4) reporting valid portals away for strategic reasons or to just aggravate other agents.
Unfortunately I see a lot of this - and I am not sure if an "alert-that's-fake" button will help - this will then just become (5) of OPR abuse. On the other hand - most OPRing agents do a diligent job of OPR and it's only a very few bad apples in between the community...
In an ideal world, Niantic would enlarge their crew of OPR supervisors and reduce the abuse by some qualified manpower...And then also ban those agents/agents' groups who repeatedly (!!!) abuse the power of OPR... Probably a warning ban will suffice but there needs to be some action taken.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. We need a SUBMISSION TEST as well as an OPR test. If you pass the sub test and you are flagged for subbing fakes/1* constantly, you should be banned from subbing. No ifs. No buts.
Let me put this in laymen's terms for those struggling to understand the brief.
(a) Once again @Theisman @ArtilectZed @TheFarix are failing to understand or even grasp the concept of abuse by denying it even exists, obviously you have never herd of the term circumstantial evidence? To help you all, there are 2 types; "Direct" and in this case "Circumstantial". With OPR there is more than enough evidence to support a case for guilt without providing the "Direct" evidence. Obviously, to get "Direct" evidence one would have to obtain data from Nia.
(b) There is a Nia. policy clause for OPR abuse!. There's plenty complaints about where smaller communities are experiencing the same problem, therefore my advice to you is to spend time reviewing & educating yourself more on the subject matter.
(c) @Theisman is Mis-quoting. Where???? did I state "one group", I stated "certain group" if you care to re-read again & understand the brief.
So please once again stop MIS-Quoting & MIS-Informing the ingress community abuse does not exist.
You have stated here in your own post who you believe are playing a hate game.
If you believe you have evidence then please detail it as currently all you have done is claim abuse without evidence, circumstantial or otherwise.
Again you have failed to provide any details what so ever about your submission candidates so their quality can be assessed or the evidence of abuse you say you have experienced.