Private Residential Property Definition

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Under Ineligible Wayspots.

To be clear, nominations should be rejected if their real-world location appears to be on private, single-family residential property or might encourage people to go onto private property (e.g., because the real-world location is at the end of a private driveway).

Note the bolded part which has been updated.

The communal areas of a residential complex are not private residential property

Comments

  • We have lots of candidates on the boundary of a single-family residential property that would be great candidates and do bring joy to their real-world communities and our apartment blocks are never open for public access thus creating couch-portals for use by a single agent. This rule needs to factor in local variations.

  • In countries where the footpath/sidewalk is owned by the Council (e.g. Australia) then stuff on that area is not on SFR property. In places like the US where the homeowner owns everything out to the road, and the sidewalk is an easement into their private property, SFR extends to the road.

    Local variation is up to the reviewers to apply.

  • hiryuhiryu ✭✭✭

    Sometimes the guidelines use the phrase "private residential property" and sometimes it says "private, single-family residential property." It would be nice to know if the former is intended to be a shorthand for the latter.

    Example: "Swimming pools - Eligible, if not located on private residential property." Any residential property, or just single-family?

    (Related: why do athletic fields need to be publicly accessible to be valid, but pools and playgrounds do not?)

  • KliffingtonKliffington ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are just a few of the many AMAs about private property. It's very odd that they show extra emphasis on some areas of the guideline when nothing is ever permitted on PRP but they do mean single family homes and farms.

    Q1: O S - Why are portals on private property allowed? Private corporations, military bases, etc. are content that an average agent is completely unable to access that can directly affect their gameplay with control fields covering them or links blocking them. They should not have to play at a disadvantage.

    A1: Portals on corporate property are allowed because restricted access is not the same as private residential access. The people that can access portals on corporate grounds are doing so legally as they have access to the location. It would however, be considered trespassing in many areas of the world for anyone other than the property owner to access a Portal on private residential property. What you are referring to as a disadvantage is normalized globally.


    Q70: Adail Horst - What do you think about portal candidates located in internal area of residential condominium, with access restricted to local residents and their guests? What do you think about portal candidates located in internal area of companies, with access restricted to her workers and their guests (i cannot join to the area without company authorization and the company not allow join to play ingress...)?

    A70: Not all Portals need to be accessible to all Agents at all times. Think of it as an opportunity to make new friend.


    Q51: Aaron Breen (Breenzy) - How is Niantic addressing portals and then fields made from restricted access portals? Many agents have quit and slowed down play, especially newer ones because of these large fields that can't be dropped, and needing to wait for the faction who put them up, to take them down. Do you consider such portals within the spirit of the game?

    A52: I’m not sure I understand the question. Restricted or limited access Portals may be valid Portals if they meet the criteria of a Portal. There is not a requirement that every person be able to access a Portal. Both factions utilize these types of Portals globally and they have been part of the game since earliest days. Therefore, I don’t find them against the spirit of the game.


    W4Q24: +Shabeeb Mohammed There are portals available in hard to access locations (having portals in corporate spaces which require gatepass to access is not against the TOS).. Such portals are a great advantage for the faction players who are lucky enough to work there.. The problem is the other faction start complaining and escalating to Nia ops etc seeking for portal removal.. What is your take on this..


    W4A24: My understanding is portals on commercial property are allowed, this includes apartment complexes. Portals on private residential property are not allowed. The issue is one of access. If the player controls the access and can categorically deny everyone, that's not fair. If a hundred people have access but only one is an Ingress player... well... that's an entirely different situation


    Q32: Aaron Almeida - Is a single building apartment complex a public space?

    A32: This is a very vague question and would require more information to give an informed opinion. However, generally, they are not considered private residential property.


    Q158: aza rine - Please clarify "community gathering area" meaning in terms of OPR.

    A158: A place where members of the community can gather outside of their homes. A congregation point with something Portal worthy at the location. I don't understand the over analyzing of this topic besides people being unhappy that an apartment complex has a playground in the middle with a portal they can't access are upset about it. People need to stop over analyzing things and making mountains out of molehills. There is really too much in life to legitimately get worked up about beyond whether or not you can access a playground portal or not. I wish people would devote 1/10th the energy to a charitable act that they do arguing about playgrounds and military bases in Ingress.

  • 0X00FF000X00FF00 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2019

    Consider Niantic's general ability to phrase things precisely enough for their players in light of the text on the Sojourner medal. TO THIS DAY we need to educate new players, that "a portal" really means "any portal, and not necessarily the same portal every time". And don't get us started on the terrible way "24 hour periods" are programmatically defined, and nearly impossible to transcribe back into English.

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  • KliffingtonKliffington ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is a great point and really explains everything. Learning how sojourner worked was a nightmare

  • ZaltysZaltys ✭✭✭

    It could definitely use a clarification. The AMAs may not be up-to-date, since they predate the lawsuit settlement.

  • KliffingtonKliffington ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2019

    They still mean the same thing. Private property is defined in the lawsuit as single family homes AND the update in OPR afterwards changed to say that as well

  • Private residential property was defined as single family residential and farm property at least since you had to give a reason for 1*ing a portal candidate.

  • JosmanuJosmanu ✭✭✭

    This remember me generic business thread and honestly i will give the same answer

    Private Residential Propery is Private Residential Property, i dont even need to google to know what it means

    If you cant understand this i dont know what to think, gl

  • Is the common areas of a residential community Private Residential Property?

  • JosmanuJosmanu ✭✭✭

    No, simple answer for that context of words

    btw: hello of my fans put more disagress i know you cant accept i am smarter

  • KliffingtonKliffington ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2019
  • Did you not even read the thread?

    As the AMA clearly states, just because YOU cannot access it doesn't mean it is considered PRP.

    That last answer hit the nail on the head, there are a lot of Ingress players who are just bitter and are fighting over something so incredibly irrelevant moreso because the answer is as clear as day already.

  • SyksyvaaraSyksyvaara ✭✭✭
    edited October 2019
  • OGMagusOGMagus ✭✭✭

    When I rate nominations, I imagine what it would be like playing there. Nobody wants people in their back yards, even if they have not yet put up fences and gates. And the "40m single family"-thing was added just because of the settlement, not really worked into the rules: Private residential property is still off limits - .and Niantic depends on us to implement what's acceptable locally.


  • Well, if you look up a legal definition, the common area of the HOA is zoned residential, is privately owned, and is property. Therefore by a legal definition it is Private Residential Property.

    However, the reason for confusion, and why your arrogant dismissal of that confusion is not appropriate, is that Niantic does not define it that way. If you'd googled the definition, outside of the Niantic interpretation for portals, your answer above would have been wrong.

    So please, get down of your high hobby horse, and accept that the simplistic approach requires more definition, because the standard answer in the real world, does not match Niantic's interpretation.

    Portals are not allowed on Private Residential Property containing a Single Family Residence, or on the physical structures of a multi-family residence. All the communal land around a multi-family residence is fine, and all the land around a single family residence is not.

  • on the physical structures of a multi-family residence.

    This isn't correct. For example, there are historic buildings that are now apartment buildings or condos that are portals themselves. There are also things like murals on multifamily dwellings and mixed-use buildings that are, to the best of my understanding of what information Niantic has offered, valid portals.

  • I have no idea why this is still a issue!! There is no need for clarification anymore and Niantic is not asking for you to agree with them! The company made the games, they decide the rules, it’s not your job to do as you wish! You just follow the guidelines and one will have to approve any wayspot in condos/ apartments complexes / multi familiar places.

    it’s funny cause I see no one saying “the wayspot is in front of my PRP and I have no problem if you put a portal there” but are constantly worried about families they never met.

    The law is clear and if someone is bothered because someone made their playground a portal, just ask for the removal and it will be done in 2s! No harm feelings!

    This is not a job you need for living! If you don’t agree to the point that it’s impossible for you to approve something like they asked, just stop doing !!

    we r having a hard time trying to convince grumpy ingress players that don’t play anymore that these are the rules and they are made for 3 games. Stop thinking about territory issues.

    A friend had his playground accepted and it has a lure almost everyday since then! Probably from a kid who is now playing in the comfort of the condo he lives! So if you were a parent, what would you prefer? Have to take your kid everyday to the nearby square or be happy cause he can play the game he likes at home?? Cmon people!

  • RostwoldRostwold ✭✭✭✭✭

    The reason it's still an issue is clearly explained in the 3rd post: "Sometimes the guidelines use the phrase "private residential property" and sometimes it says "private, single-family residential property.

  • edited November 2019

     For example, there are historic buildings that are now apartment buildings or condos that are portals themselves

    Historic buildings that are active residences are not valid as portals. So either they were added in error, or need to be removed. The existence of a bad portal does not change the rules.

    The outer walls of MFR or office blocks are fine.

  • kkbittenkkbitten ✭✭
    edited November 2019

    And sykysvaara printed the guidelines ..

    • Reject if it’s a banana
    • Reject if it’s a nana

    Banana - use this word when it’s a nana

    It’s not an issue...

  • RostwoldRostwold ✭✭✭✭✭

    You have a strong opinion on this. Other people have a different strong opinion on this. It's an issue.

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