Moving my submitted locations...why?
Rant on. Frustrating when I submit good playgrounds, basketball courts, tennis courts, baseball fields, etc., and I take the time to place the pin right to the side of all of these locations, and then reviewers in OPR move/edit the location right in the middle of these objects when they vote. Then we end up with a new portal right where I didn't want it to interfere with an active location. Nothing like a basketball game with a PoGo raid going on in the middle of it. Baseball game with someone standing near home plate to catch a Squirtle. Just off to the side should be no issue for these types of submissions. Who wants an agent at a playground in the middle of the day to Ultra Strike the shields off a portal they just have to take down while standing on top of the playset? Why do so many reviewers feel the need to move so little? Rant over.
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Perhaps they are not moving it by a small amount, perhaps one person moves it to the opposite side, then others move it to the final resting place?
Perhaps your pin placement isn't as good as you thought?
After 5k+ reviews, 5 years playing, and 200+ approved portals, I would like to think my placements are good. I am just saying, that 10' move to take the pin from the edge of the basketball court or playground to the center of these objects was really not needed even if moved by 1 reviewer or 10 of them. Just odd that some people feel the need to have the portal location dead nuts in the center of active locations. Makes no difference in the end, we all end up with a new portal, but just gets me when I see them come back that way to me.
And then came pokemon go and the famous infamous S17 cells......
Hate to say this it isn't pogo players moving them. Had a basketball court moved from the side to center court forcing it to ingress only. Also have had several playgrounds moved from the edge to the center. Best one was having tennis court moved to the entrance when i placed it on corner you could walk to it and not block entrance trying to stand on center of portal using ultrastrikes.
The most correct place would be right in the center. But i agree with your point in case of Fields.
Are you arguing because It did not became pokestop? If is this case, you're in the wrong. If not, them is probably someone editing then for this reason.
Small things, like statues, murals, plaque, Graffiti, etc should bem in the exact point they are.
It needs most reviewrs vote to change the local uppon creation, maybe as @LemoMcLemonFace Said, you're not as good as you think.
Submiited pin locations can be quite iffy simply because the map tile set the scanner is using (which has changed more than once) can be surprisingly off, and not just the road map, but also in satellite view.
(Never ascribe to malice what can be ascribed to incompetence...) In this case it could be a "simple" technical issue.
I've never seen satellite photo being off. I had always thought that geodesy and cartography relies on them being very accurate.
Personally I dont like these "football field" type portals - if they have a clubhouse or a sign for them, make those the POI - otherwise yes, what would the correct POI be for a giant field?
I had right the opposite of your movement, placed the marker in the middle of a not officially used football field and some nice guy moved it to the frequently used parking lots...
@Cespar I put next the goal marker, the closest and easiest to reach. Never right in the middle and never outside the demarcation lines. If the field is being using, would be a challenge to use ultrastrikes but not impossible.
I think what the OP is saying people will move the pins around to be spot on to what they think is the best place and center it in the middle of the field. I have gotten submissions with the pin in the middle of the baseball or football field before. I also got a parks football field denied when the pin was placed on the edge of the field away from play area it was basic field with two goals. Mileage may vary. There is no point of moving the pin if it is on the object playgrounds having the pin on the edge doesn't matter if it was centered or not but if someone submitted the pin at the parking lot 50 feet away yes that is an issue.
I'm one that submits and places a pin in the middle of things and when I see a submission in OPR that's of a sports field, I usually also move it to the center of the feature. If it's a photo where the main subject is a goalpost, baseball field backstop, sign for the feature, etc. then I'll make sure the pin is on the object in the photo.
Without seeing the photos of your submissions, I can't venture to guess if they have something to do with the OPR reviewers moving the pins. Could also just be a regional reviewer habit, too. Hard to say.
@Hydraulinski but does that mean you could hypothetically make a 2nd portal for the other goal posts?
I'd much rather see the poi being the clubhouse or sign for these, it gives a clear place to mark something that has an area of hundreds of metres.
I dont move these markers I just dont rate them very high :)
January 2019 AMA .... A31: NIA OPS input is, “There needs to be a physical object that ties to the Portal, so players know where to expect it to be. Middle of a sports field is usually not a good location.”
I will admit I use to center these submissions until the above guidance and then I started moving them to the side/edge or just leave it where it was submitted if submitted along an edge.
(adding original question)
Q31: Losifer Los - in the sports field clarification from last AMA, there was quite a bit of chaos concerning whether it was intended that a sports field without a sign could or should be given less than 5 stars. Many thought that it was could rather than should because most sports fields can be easily verified by google maps or photospheres; and the requirement of a sign disqualifies anywhere between 50-80% of sports fields in any given town often depending upon the affluence of a town. That would in effect punish rural communities most of all being that they tend to be the least affluent. A little more clarification there may be necessary. Could suggests that Niantic is aware of the reality that there is a problem with rogue reviewers/reviewers not up to date with the guidelines, while should seems to run contrary to the spirit of the game and the current mode suggesting that Niantic desires more POI rather than fewer; as well as aiding the rural communities in gaining more POI.
I always move the pin to the edge / outside of things like playgrounds so that players can play without having to "lurk" in the middle of a kiddies play area. Pit the pin on the path or the gate, not in the middle.
As for sports fields, use the clubhouse. A photo of a set of goalposts and some grass is an automatic 1 star reject in my opinion - "generic photo, could be anywhere, location inaccurate, nothing historical or significant aboutthis submission".
sogNinjaman in my area the valid football fields in recreation parks normally don't have a clubhouse and the ones that do are on public school property. Calling a parks field too generic when it does not have a clubhouse is a bad idea if someone can prove it is part of a park it should be given a fair chance. I got one approved last week showing the stands scoreboard and stadium lighting.
I find using:
#entrancenotmiddle helps 😊
If it’s placed in the center of a field or area, I usually move it to an entrance or corner or side. Putting it in the center of the field or playground is rude to non-agents because of agents and trainers who may try to get it in the middle of games or kids playing. One could solely blame the rude agent/trainer but the placer/mover really incentivized bad behavior by placing it poorly.
And if it’s placed in an area where people in wheelchairs or crutches would not be able to reach it, but they would be able to reach the entrance or side of it, it’s rather ablist.
Both of those could possibly get Niantic in hot water some places.
Some people are just doofuses. I like to think there's a generally accepted unwritten location for each type of sports portal (behind the batters box of a baseball diamond portal, corner of any sport court portal, etc)
Anyway, I always move to the side if I see a centered pin in OPR.
I think what irks me (not to make this all about me, OP) is when I see pins at like, a parking lot, for a playground or tennis court, or what have you. Like, at a park. That's just lazy too.
I've been doing OPR for a fairly short time, but I've seen a few portals submitted for sports fields and tennis courts where the location is just too conveniently located to the nearest road, and not actually where the portal should be. I will move these as I see fit. If it means you have to stop, park up and walk to hack, capture or whatever, so be it. The whole point of Ingress is about getting off your backside. #itstimetomove
It is faild with center for house and more. Lots of fotboll fields are not for the public and we stop from going on the fotboll fields. But if we take nomination on sign on entrence is ok. When OPR agents understand critera for fotboll fields? I only follow critera take nomination on sign or on the entrence.
Common sense. It would be marked as duplicated.
I thought that the rule was that a pin “on or within a few feet” of the submission gets 5 stars. I always just assumed that also meant if it was on or within few feet it was good and should be left alone. Anywhere in that area seems just as good as anywhere else as far the rules seem to Be concerned so it seems best to trust the judgement of the agent there on the ground if it is close.
@Piglet Satellite photos are very frequently off, because satellite footage of a particular area is almost never taken from directly overhead, but from a side angle. Thus there needs to be a calculation to transform the angled image into a "flat" one - and "flat" also has to take into the irregular shape of the earth. Given the Earth isn't a regular oblate spheroid, let alone a sphere, this isn't easy - especially when the "flat" location you are looking at is e.g. on a hillside. I'd post a link of an example, but apparently I don't have enough posting privileges yet... Here's an example of the Google map view of a candidate I submitted yesterday: 34.9828078,135.3347386 (not a clickable link, because I don't have enough privileges for that yet, apparently, so stick these coordinates into Google maps.). Notice the rather extreme angle of the building just below the spot that I HOPE is the correct location? Now jiggle the 3-d view to get an idea of the **** of the land. If "cartography relies on them being accurate" as you stated, then Google Maps Hybrid view streets would nicely align with their Satellite view positions - which they very frequently do not (although in the case I just showed, the alignment is actually pretty good),
As with many things in OPR... more clear guidance is needed here.
specifically a consensus on where to place the pin specifically. currently they have said, only where the sign is - like on the clubhouse. personally i think behind the batters box for baseball fields is best, at the 50 yard line but just off field is best for football, same for basketball. and tennis courts are best at the entrance in my opinion. whatever doesn't obstruct the use of these things.
Yup, had the pin for my soccer/football field moved right next to the baseball field...where I had submitted the baseball field and it came back a dupe. Had to put in a move edit. Hope it sticks because that was dumb.