To summarize: the candidate subject needs to exist where you place the portal. Otherwise what is the point of reviewers looking for/rating accuracy? The whole system wouldn't make sense if you could put the portal anywhere you wanted.
No-one is debating "few feet". We're telling you that "few feet" isn't the problem we were discussing before you jumped onto your soapbox and ranted like a Communist in Central Park.
No it doesn't. It literally says a few feet away. I will agree portal edits it says to be on it, but that is limited to being preferred where what is written as the baseline is allowing a portal to be a few feet off is still allowed as it is visually seen. You are doing opr reviews not portal edits on new submissions... there is a difference. Your supposed to follow the opr help for ratings.
Level 10 agents don't have access to the opr help page. What does it say when you are submitting a portal for the first time? Doesn't it take you through a guide and show you how to submit?
Never changed my opinion of OPR, I believe it is done wrong by everyone. People do not follow it or even read what's in it or changed. Local players have their own rules that totally differ than what's in guide or help for opr. That more people need to be given access to opr. 31 countries added to a short list of actual OPR's is only going to get worse with time as more countries are added.
I just want stuff clarified and updated that for some strange reason wasn't done by OPR reviewers for this long..... yet you guys are supposedly better at opr then other players.... reviewers can say they have thousands of agreements but if you never worried about pedestrian access for all of those portals you technically were doing all of them wrong in the first place.
Opr should have all of the rules for opr especially if they are limiting access and have things different from other sources. What matters is what is supposed to be approved by opr and that is what is in opr help and guide. All other information is really meaningless because if it's not in opr website then it doesn't matter because niantic is saying it doesn't matter.
You ignored my question. You acknowledged for edits location matters, however on OPR it Says approve within a few feet and not submit within a few feet. You are willing to cite sources for pages unrelated to exact situation sometimes but not others.
Aside from "within a few feet" and "we want it as accurate as possible", where is Niantic saying that the POI and the portal don't have to be at the same place? Because within a few feet is the margin of error looking down from space, and you are supposed to endeavor to make it as close as possible.
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that Niantic doesn't care about their POI database. As their most valuable asset, nothing could be further from the truth, and your attempts to declare that POIs and their locations don't matter, should constitute abuse of OPR and the submission process.
When submitting it says accurate location for the portal. Yes it's an accurate location for the portal because I've already reviewed that during the submissions and located per opr guide for approvals with everything being visually able to be seen for placement of the portal.
Being an opr we know what is written in opr. Others do not. With pokemon inevitably getting submissions you all complain because you worry what they will do to the database. But if the database was more defined as to what was allowed then you would not have any complaints. (Besides multiaccounts)
You dont just want stuff clarified you want to change the rules to suit your needs at a fundamental level. You can see my other comments on this board, I'm not against more portals for things that make sense or that Niantic has approved. But the way you understand things is so completely flawed that I can't get on board. Everyone but you is not wrong that the Point of Interest should be the same as the portal. Everyone but you is not wrong that "most accurate location" should be on the subject you are submitting (with a few feet of leeway given unreliable mapping). You're choosing the wrong battles and you've failed to understand that for months.
Portals that are invalid should be reported and removed. Nice attempt at a dodge but it doesn't matter, because we didn't approve PRP. That was Google staffers and some Niantic staff.
Another example of abuse by opr reviewers. They allowed this to happen with portal approvals and edits. Yet never questioned it either.
Opr reviewers abuse their power by editing locations for approvals based on their opinions... nothing that is defined in opr help or guide. If you followed opr guide you wouldn't move a portal that is within a few feet of a poi that is located on a sidewalk... because that is where it is written to be at per opr help in the reviewing accuracy of locations and accessibility of portals.
Niantic only wants it relocated when it doesn't appear on the screen for the review as written, but if your a few feet away from the poi you can still visually see it and they have said to approve it's a result, yet you still relocate it wrongly.... Your OCD obsession of being perfect and exact is exactly why people spoof in pokemon, it's to be complete and have them all.....
Your obsession and your opinion of what niantic wants is what has your opinions in the contradiction. Because you think you are not possibly wrong. Everyone is eventually wrong even me. But what is not wrong is the contradiction that is written by niantic versus your opinion of being exact. It was clearly written as such to be allowed a few feet away because they understand it is hard to get exact locations.... it is clear that pedestrian access is required for an approval l, yet ignored by reviewers. Submission reviews are telling you what criteria is met, you don't need additional information if it's on an approved list. It's to be approved just like you say about LFL... I disagree on LFL because it is mainly on PRP on the ones I have reviewed.
More rejections on piers and boat ramps when it is clearly written they can be accepted as manmade structures on a natural feature because they are.....
Valid and reasonable description for a pier in maryland. Yet still rejected... because no one reads what is allowed.... manmade objects are allowed.
2 submissions that are defined as acceptable.... yet both rejected. Piers by everyone and LFL by me... yet no one sees the comparsion.... a pier that's 85ft long that is 6ft wide, is rejected. A birdhouse/mailbox convert that is maybe 4ft tall is allowed. Yet you cant see those LFL on satellite view for confirming them.
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To summarize: the candidate subject needs to exist where you place the portal. Otherwise what is the point of reviewers looking for/rating accuracy? The whole system wouldn't make sense if you could put the portal anywhere you wanted.
No-one is debating "few feet". We're telling you that "few feet" isn't the problem we were discussing before you jumped onto your soapbox and ranted like a Communist in Central Park.
We are talking about the person(s) that thinks a dog waste bin is a valid candidate, making sense went out of the window a loooooooong time ago
No it doesn't. It literally says a few feet away. I will agree portal edits it says to be on it, but that is limited to being preferred where what is written as the baseline is allowing a portal to be a few feet off is still allowed as it is visually seen. You are doing opr reviews not portal edits on new submissions... there is a difference. Your supposed to follow the opr help for ratings.
Your life must be very complicated, how do you decide which things you read to believe and which to deny?
Show me where it says few feet anywhere but the reviewing guidelines.
Hmm, ya know what? Agents that only achieved L10, and Pokemon players, only get to see this much information publicly:
(and another nearly-identical post for Pokemon where they change just the word "portal" into Pokemon-equivalent language.)
https://niantic.helpshift.com/a/ingress/?s=portal-network&f=operation-portal-recon&l=en&p=web
They talk a lot about WHAT can be submitted, not WHERE it must be located.
What does it say in the submission tour
In help for opr reviews it differs.
Yes I'll admit edits it is different but that makes sense when your talking edits...
Oh good point! This isn't actually google-searchable, except maaaaybe for somebody's imgur.com screenshots that have no subtitles.
If I start up Prime and start a new Nomination, the very first screen has:
Set Portal Location
Move the marker to the most accurate location.
So his fundamental issue is that he disagrees with everybody else's definition of "most accurate".
Level 10 agents don't have access to the opr help page. What does it say when you are submitting a portal for the first time? Doesn't it take you through a guide and show you how to submit?
That coupled with the fact that he doesn’t believe that a portal is the same thing as the corresponding point of interest.
It blows my mind, honestly. This was a recent take of his, he never really fails to reach new lows
Does not.
It's not I believe, it's what niantic has written versus what you believe. I differ from you guys because there is always 2 sides to a story.
Never changed my opinion of OPR, I believe it is done wrong by everyone. People do not follow it or even read what's in it or changed. Local players have their own rules that totally differ than what's in guide or help for opr. That more people need to be given access to opr. 31 countries added to a short list of actual OPR's is only going to get worse with time as more countries are added.
I want the AMA to happen and for all your questions to be answered and to see how stupidly you'll twist and ignore it
Okay so you agree the edit page is separate from the OPR review page, but not the OPR review page from the Niantic support?
I just want stuff clarified and updated that for some strange reason wasn't done by OPR reviewers for this long..... yet you guys are supposedly better at opr then other players.... reviewers can say they have thousands of agreements but if you never worried about pedestrian access for all of those portals you technically were doing all of them wrong in the first place.
Opr should have all of the rules for opr especially if they are limiting access and have things different from other sources. What matters is what is supposed to be approved by opr and that is what is in opr help and guide. All other information is really meaningless because if it's not in opr website then it doesn't matter because niantic is saying it doesn't matter.
You ignored my question. You acknowledged for edits location matters, however on OPR it Says approve within a few feet and not submit within a few feet. You are willing to cite sources for pages unrelated to exact situation sometimes but not others.
niantic is saying it doesn't matter.
Aside from "within a few feet" and "we want it as accurate as possible", where is Niantic saying that the POI and the portal don't have to be at the same place? Because within a few feet is the margin of error looking down from space, and you are supposed to endeavor to make it as close as possible.
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that Niantic doesn't care about their POI database. As their most valuable asset, nothing could be further from the truth, and your attempts to declare that POIs and their locations don't matter, should constitute abuse of OPR and the submission process.
When submitting it says accurate location for the portal. Yes it's an accurate location for the portal because I've already reviewed that during the submissions and located per opr guide for approvals with everything being visually able to be seen for placement of the portal.
Being an opr we know what is written in opr. Others do not. With pokemon inevitably getting submissions you all complain because you worry what they will do to the database. But if the database was more defined as to what was allowed then you would not have any complaints. (Besides multiaccounts)
You dont just want stuff clarified you want to change the rules to suit your needs at a fundamental level. You can see my other comments on this board, I'm not against more portals for things that make sense or that Niantic has approved. But the way you understand things is so completely flawed that I can't get on board. Everyone but you is not wrong that the Point of Interest should be the same as the portal. Everyone but you is not wrong that "most accurate location" should be on the subject you are submitting (with a few feet of leeway given unreliable mapping). You're choosing the wrong battles and you've failed to understand that for months.
What you guys think is the database, is already corrupt and should be thrown out. As you all approved prp submissions previously.
With pokemon inevitably getting submissions you all complain because you worry what they will do to the database.
From the Pokemon Nomination guide:
Nominations that are too close to existing PokéStops or with inaccurate locations will most likely be considered ineligible.
It's time to stop. Really.
Portals that are invalid should be reported and removed. Nice attempt at a dodge but it doesn't matter, because we didn't approve PRP. That was Google staffers and some Niantic staff.
There is endless LFL on prp currently.
Another example of abuse by opr reviewers. They allowed this to happen with portal approvals and edits. Yet never questioned it either.
Opr reviewers abuse their power by editing locations for approvals based on their opinions... nothing that is defined in opr help or guide. If you followed opr guide you wouldn't move a portal that is within a few feet of a poi that is located on a sidewalk... because that is where it is written to be at per opr help in the reviewing accuracy of locations and accessibility of portals.
If Niantic didn’t want players to correct incorrect locations there wouldn’t be a move option in OPR...
whats your hatred with LFL, most are not on PRP
That was pokemon go players who submitted location edits back when they were evaluated by NIA, not OPR reviewers.
You think it was Ingress Players who manipulated gyms into one small area?
Niantic only wants it relocated when it doesn't appear on the screen for the review as written, but if your a few feet away from the poi you can still visually see it and they have said to approve it's a result, yet you still relocate it wrongly.... Your OCD obsession of being perfect and exact is exactly why people spoof in pokemon, it's to be complete and have them all.....
Your obsession and your opinion of what niantic wants is what has your opinions in the contradiction. Because you think you are not possibly wrong. Everyone is eventually wrong even me. But what is not wrong is the contradiction that is written by niantic versus your opinion of being exact. It was clearly written as such to be allowed a few feet away because they understand it is hard to get exact locations.... it is clear that pedestrian access is required for an approval l, yet ignored by reviewers. Submission reviews are telling you what criteria is met, you don't need additional information if it's on an approved list. It's to be approved just like you say about LFL... I disagree on LFL because it is mainly on PRP on the ones I have reviewed.
More rejections on piers and boat ramps when it is clearly written they can be accepted as manmade structures on a natural feature because they are.....
Valid and reasonable description for a pier in maryland. Yet still rejected... because no one reads what is allowed.... manmade objects are allowed.
2 submissions that are defined as acceptable.... yet both rejected. Piers by everyone and LFL by me... yet no one sees the comparsion.... a pier that's 85ft long that is 6ft wide, is rejected. A birdhouse/mailbox convert that is maybe 4ft tall is allowed. Yet you cant see those LFL on satellite view for confirming them.
Correct this please. Because pokemon did not have the submissions then..... so they had to be ingress players...