It literally says its allowed and is written by niantic in opr guide help which you are to use in reviewing submissions few feet away is still a 5 star........
It literally does not say it has to be on the exact real world location anywhere....
And we're not talking about moves a few feet away. Please stop trying to justify gross movements with "a few feet". You don't pack S2 cells by moving things a few feet.
Wait.... Where does it say for a move a few feet away is allowed....
Nothing says anything anywhere....
What is allowed and is written is in Opr.ingress.com/help It specifically says to 5 star within a few feet. Yet you guys are gonna argue against it because it is written and can't be argued because it is written by Niantic as a rule.....
If the nominator makes a good faith attempt to be accurate to the real world location as possible, I will generally accept the location and only correcting if there is a significant error. However, if it is clear that the nominator deliberately submitted the POI in the wrong location, I will correct the location as best I can using the available satellite map and/or street view.
That is your choice, but it doesn't follow the rules. The rules in help say it is the agents responsibility to help the community learn the community. You moving a portal location doesn't help the community....
contradictory, your move typically causes more work with edits as a result. (see why the portal edits have a 6 month backlog and is only getting worse...)
It helps the community by ensure that the portal is in the correct location in relation to the real-world object. Deliberately placing portals in an incorrect locations does not help the community in any way.
If the portals can be visually seen from the location. It is not deliberately hurting the community if the agent is thinking about access and avoiding issues. Sometimes a portal needs to be located to prevent issues, example EMS people avoid disrupting EMS with entrance location portals moving them a few feet away to prevent a rejection. What's the difference then?
If the portal was placed in the correct location compared to the real-world object to begin, no move is needed. That is why I move the markers to the object if the marker is clearly not in the correct location. It also prevents a further location update because then, the marker now in the correct location.
That does not justify placing the marker for a playground on the sidewalk when the real-world location of the playground is on school property. This also does not justify placing the marker of a church playground next to the road (with no safe-pedestrian access I may add) when the real-world location of the playground is behind the church.
Niantic made it VERY clear in the @RedSoloCup AMAs that they need to have a single unified directive for these "easement" edge cases for POIs. They cannot possibly know every individual municipality's unique rules, nor can they possibly keep up to date with a worldwide set of ever-changing property laws.
The "easement" is equivalent to the adjoining property.
This means that anything between the property through to the road is the same as the property itself. If a POI is valid on the property, then it's potentially valid on the adjoining easement. If it's not valid on the property, then it's not valid on the adjoining easement.
One consistent worldwide rule, applied everywhere.
This also means that I cannot submit a very lovely community garden. Nor some 100+ year old historical artifacts. But so be it.
It is a playground at a school, which means it is an invalid POI. Just because you deliberately misplaced the marker on the sidewalk doesn't make the POI valid or deliberately placing the marker in the wrong location valid.
No I agree with you on that 9 gyms in one little park that shouldn't all be gyms. That is not what we want. And I have been good on never cheating like that. But a cluster of portals that so exist are allowed even if they are not all gyms.
I am aware. Same with places they put curfew hours on. School grounds should have curfew hours on them, because after school they can be used for recreation....
I am still awaiting where on a submission it has to be exact the real world location. Nothing anyone has submitted has it written by niantic anywhere....
Niantic hasn't said that deliberately placing markers more than 30 feet (~10 meters) from the real world location is acceptable. A few feet generally means less than 5 to 10 feet. The more precise, the better.
No. But what niantic has stated and has written is the portal location needs to visually see the POI. That the location doesn't have to be exact. And that Sidewalks can make things illegible eligible. Sidewalks are not school grounds, and can visually see the POI from it.
No where has Niantic stated that placing a marker on a nearby sidewalk makes an ineligible POI into an eligible POI. And you completely overlook why locations don't need to be exact, it is do the inherent impreciseness of the GPS system, Google Maps, and Street View. All three can, and often are "a few feet off". But that does not give anyone latitude to deliberately misplace the location.
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It literally says its allowed and is written by niantic in opr guide help which you are to use in reviewing submissions few feet away is still a 5 star........
It literally does not say it has to be on the exact real world location anywhere....
And we're not talking about moves a few feet away. Please stop trying to justify gross movements with "a few feet". You don't pack S2 cells by moving things a few feet.
Wait.... Where does it say for a move a few feet away is allowed....
Nothing says anything anywhere....
What is allowed and is written is in Opr.ingress.com/help It specifically says to 5 star within a few feet. Yet you guys are gonna argue against it because it is written and can't be argued because it is written by Niantic as a rule.....
If the nominator makes a good faith attempt to be accurate to the real world location as possible, I will generally accept the location and only correcting if there is a significant error. However, if it is clear that the nominator deliberately submitted the POI in the wrong location, I will correct the location as best I can using the available satellite map and/or street view.
That is your choice, but it doesn't follow the rules. The rules in help say it is the agents responsibility to help the community learn the community. You moving a portal location doesn't help the community....
contradictory, your move typically causes more work with edits as a result. (see why the portal edits have a 6 month backlog and is only getting worse...)
It helps the community by ensure that the portal is in the correct location in relation to the real-world object. Deliberately placing portals in an incorrect locations does not help the community in any way.
If the portals can be visually seen from the location. It is not deliberately hurting the community if the agent is thinking about access and avoiding issues. Sometimes a portal needs to be located to prevent issues, example EMS people avoid disrupting EMS with entrance location portals moving them a few feet away to prevent a rejection. What's the difference then?
If the portal was placed in the correct location compared to the real-world object to begin, no move is needed. That is why I move the markers to the object if the marker is clearly not in the correct location. It also prevents a further location update because then, the marker now in the correct location.
Having a location where portals can be accessed is allowed.
That does not justify placing the marker for a playground on the sidewalk when the real-world location of the playground is on school property. This also does not justify placing the marker of a church playground next to the road (with no safe-pedestrian access I may add) when the real-world location of the playground is behind the church.
Niantic made it VERY clear in the @RedSoloCup AMAs that they need to have a single unified directive for these "easement" edge cases for POIs. They cannot possibly know every individual municipality's unique rules, nor can they possibly keep up to date with a worldwide set of ever-changing property laws.
The "easement" is equivalent to the adjoining property.
This means that anything between the property through to the road is the same as the property itself. If a POI is valid on the property, then it's potentially valid on the adjoining easement. If it's not valid on the property, then it's not valid on the adjoining easement.
One consistent worldwide rule, applied everywhere.
This also means that I cannot submit a very lovely community garden. Nor some 100+ year old historical artifacts. But so be it.
A few feet away was the sidewalk. Not sure what others are saying......
Portals a few feet from their POI are not invalid. And they are NOT what we're talking about when stacking gyms.
L17 Cell = 1 object. That's a equilateral rhombus roughly 70m on a side.
Packing multiple L17 cells with a stop gets you a gym.
70m is NOT a few feet.
So you admit to intentionally falsifying the location, instead of on the POI, but onto a space that was at least 20+m away from the POI?
It is a playground at a school, which means it is an invalid POI. Just because you deliberately misplaced the marker on the sidewalk doesn't make the POI valid or deliberately placing the marker in the wrong location valid.
P.S. That is well beyond "a few feet".
Caveat on the church, using the Sign for the church as the POI is a valid way to include the church while not interfering with the congregation.
Based on the picture is that sidewalk 20 or 30 feet from the edge of the playground?
It wasnt even that far away. It can be seen visually from the portal location with ease.... all per help guide and allowed.
Sidewalks at schools are allowed.
No I agree with you on that 9 gyms in one little park that shouldn't all be gyms. That is not what we want. And I have been good on never cheating like that. But a cluster of portals that so exist are allowed even if they are not all gyms.
I am aware. Same with places they put curfew hours on. School grounds should have curfew hours on them, because after school they can be used for recreation....
I am still awaiting where on a submission it has to be exact the real world location. Nothing anyone has submitted has it written by niantic anywhere....
Niantic hasn't said that deliberately placing markers more than 30 feet (~10 meters) from the real world location is acceptable. A few feet generally means less than 5 to 10 feet. The more precise, the better.
No. But what niantic has stated and has written is the portal location needs to visually see the POI. That the location doesn't have to be exact. And that Sidewalks can make things illegible eligible. Sidewalks are not school grounds, and can visually see the POI from it.
No where has Niantic stated that placing a marker on a nearby sidewalk makes an ineligible POI into an eligible POI. And you completely overlook why locations don't need to be exact, it is do the inherent impreciseness of the GPS system, Google Maps, and Street View. All three can, and often are "a few feet off". But that does not give anyone latitude to deliberately misplace the location.