That absolutely proves my point. If every level 40 was able to take a test to participate in OPR it would flood the system and anything would be able to pass. Even your electrical towers would pass with flying colors.
If it helps communities to learn their communities. It shouldn't matter.... Communities want to be able to play. There is a need that needs to filled... Ingress players are reducing monthly from participating in OPR.
160k agreements daily on average? Hmmm... Sounds like that would be at most 1.6k reviewers... (Roughly at 100 per person.) Looks like pokemon go petition won't be long before it outnumbers the current reviewers....
Your proof is the daily achievements globally. Yet if you and others are increasing your number of votes, it won't appear to be less. But in the end of the day, if the world was released, you wouldn't be able to keep up with the submissions that something has to happen no matter what you think....
First off, lets say someone takes a break today and doesnt review, that doesnt give me more things to review... Thats not how OPR works. Second, agreements per day varies greatly sometimes I get 100 agreements in a day sometimes I can get 300 agreements in a day. What is constant is around 250-350 reviews per day. Remember reviews does not = agreements, so agreements are staggered for when the portal is either approved or rejected and you agree, so I could vote today on sometime and not see an agreement for a day, a week, a month on it.
If there was a boycot or people were quitting OPR in droves, I wouldnt see an uptick in reviews, but OPR would see a downtick in overall reviews completed. So the roughly 160k constant is showing that OPR has not slowed down.
If you have access to OPR, like you claim you do, then you can get those numbers from the very first screen. They tend to hover in the 70K range for both teams. This is actually up from November 2018 when those numbers were much, much lower.
That is number of agreements in total each day. Yes. Divide that by an average of a 100 per person? Gives you roughly 1.6k people. What are you trying to say?
Okay. So give the typical average then? What are we talking about. 1 per person. 100 per person. 300 per person. it doesn't matter what the end number is. The average is way less than pokemon players who could be helping.....
I can't give you the average, I can give you my average but I know my average is not typical...
Yes, I absolutely know OPR could be reviewed 1000-fold if Pokemon Go players were allowed.
I just posted the below on the Silph Thread:
"I'm not entirely opposed to Pokemon Go players in OPR, I just believe availability should be limited. I think it should be tough, I also believe every Ingress reviewer should be accountable to take the same more difficult test to gain access.
I believe they should do a Geofence by region for who can do OPR, example say area is capped to 50 reviewers, no one else can join to review/take the test. However, if those 50 players are not reviewing enough they lose access and have to rejoin the available grouping when its available again.
Harder test, limited number from each game, while also supporting a system that needs balance and needs more reviewers.
Submissions should be still based on level 6 S2 cell density on their requirements as to not bog the system down. Maybe for higher density each player gets less submissions? Like super high denisty 2 every other week? But low density gets 7 every other week?
To recap: Much Harder Test, Ingress players have to retake, cap number of "current available" OPR users by region review radius, submissions based on density.
Also for pogo submitters show them nearby portals too to help prevent duplicates. Or better idea remove S2 Level 17 requirement for stops, and make it so all portals in Ingress are in Pokemon Go."
A wide open OPR system is bad for all games and Niantics core mission.
I absolutely cannot change that rule but Niantic can. The current submissions system limitedly available around the world in select countries for Pokemon Go is a Beta. Beta to full release sees various changes in the system for the fast majority of games, thus why its called a Beta.
Submissions would be limited to the same criteria as ingress which is lvl 20 s2. One thing that would help prevent the issues with bogging the system would be releasing the rest of the portals not given to pokemon or wizards, but it still doesn't help all communities.... Which is why more people are needed... Hell portal edits are another one way behind. they are what a few years out on them as well...
Ingress portal submissions are not based on S2 Level 20, they have a 20 Meter Rule, they can't be within 20 Meters of each other.
I actually agree that they should remove the S2 cell portal placement requirements for PoGo/HPWU that doesnt make sense. Keeping Gyms based on an S2 Level 14 makes sense still but limiting portals comparing each game doesnt.
Lvl 14 doesn't make sense it limits too much. 18 or 20 spacing makes more sense for the amount of people. Not enough for everyone in the world to use. Plus niantic can work on a better 3d map if 360 views are done moving forward.
This thread is a toxic nightmare. Since our last request to mark the thread as "Closed", it has at least been marked as "Answered". However the OP continues to mutually antagonize other agents over Niantic's written OPR rules and definitions.
Using S2 squares actually gives a much more interesting distribution than just a 20m gap would, as it does allow close portals, but only rarely when the objects are in the corners of their squares.
For the most part the S2 Level 17 distribution hasn't caused too many problems. It has in several situations where 2 things could be on opposite ends of the longer end of the Level 17 cell but nothing else is really around them.
I just believe all 3 games should share the exact POI databse, this would reduce some of the frustration between games. Its far from a full solution but would help.
A looked for a quick example, only the POI circled in Red appears in Pokemon Go despite the item to the left and the item at the top being pretty far away from the item circled in red.
No because opr would still be limited to vary little people in the overall player base, as a result having longer wait times due to the 31 countries in the world that were added to the ques. 31 countries that could have people helping the ques and reviewing submissions to help with also creating new additional portals.
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Almost doubled in a couple hours in total votes. Give it a few days... I bet it gets higher than the current allowed in Ingress.
@NianticCasey What is the total amount of Ingress players actively participating in OPR?
That absolutely proves my point. If every level 40 was able to take a test to participate in OPR it would flood the system and anything would be able to pass. Even your electrical towers would pass with flying colors.
If it helps communities to learn their communities. It shouldn't matter.... Communities want to be able to play. There is a need that needs to filled... Ingress players are reducing monthly from participating in OPR.
Where is your proof OPR is reducing? Cite sources with factual numbers, before you spout more lies....
@TimerCIock Hmmmmm more coincidences...
160k agreements daily on average? Hmmm... Sounds like that would be at most 1.6k reviewers... (Roughly at 100 per person.) Looks like pokemon go petition won't be long before it outnumbers the current reviewers....
Thats irrelevant, we know there are millions of daily players in PoGo, You said OPR is slowing down, I asked for Proof/citing a source and you can't.
Your proof is the daily achievements globally. Yet if you and others are increasing your number of votes, it won't appear to be less. But in the end of the day, if the world was released, you wouldn't be able to keep up with the submissions that something has to happen no matter what you think....
You are arguing that OPR is slowing down/decreasing but you are not citing any sources. Increasingly you show lack of understanding of how OPR works.
Your stance is you can do how many agreements in a day?
Give Casey time to answer the question of how many currently active players use opr daily.
First off, lets say someone takes a break today and doesnt review, that doesnt give me more things to review... Thats not how OPR works. Second, agreements per day varies greatly sometimes I get 100 agreements in a day sometimes I can get 300 agreements in a day. What is constant is around 250-350 reviews per day. Remember reviews does not = agreements, so agreements are staggered for when the portal is either approved or rejected and you agree, so I could vote today on sometime and not see an agreement for a day, a week, a month on it.
If there was a boycot or people were quitting OPR in droves, I wouldnt see an uptick in reviews, but OPR would see a downtick in overall reviews completed. So the roughly 160k constant is showing that OPR has not slowed down.
Protip.... Doesn't matter what we think it is what the community thinks... 1.6k reviewers is bias.... For a system that is working to be globally....
If you have access to OPR, like you claim you do, then you can get those numbers from the very first screen. They tend to hover in the 70K range for both teams. This is actually up from November 2018 when those numbers were much, much lower.
This is gibberish. Try harder.
That is number of agreements in total each day. Yes. Divide that by an average of a 100 per person? Gives you roughly 1.6k people. What are you trying to say?
Again confusing agreements with total reviews. Very different thing.
Second, cite the source of where you are getting the average reviewer reviewing 100 submissions a day?
Okay. So give the typical average then? What are we talking about. 1 per person. 100 per person. 300 per person. it doesn't matter what the end number is. The average is way less than pokemon players who could be helping.....
I can't give you the average, I can give you my average but I know my average is not typical...
Yes, I absolutely know OPR could be reviewed 1000-fold if Pokemon Go players were allowed.
I just posted the below on the Silph Thread:
"I'm not entirely opposed to Pokemon Go players in OPR, I just believe availability should be limited. I think it should be tough, I also believe every Ingress reviewer should be accountable to take the same more difficult test to gain access.
I believe they should do a Geofence by region for who can do OPR, example say area is capped to 50 reviewers, no one else can join to review/take the test. However, if those 50 players are not reviewing enough they lose access and have to rejoin the available grouping when its available again.
Harder test, limited number from each game, while also supporting a system that needs balance and needs more reviewers.
Submissions should be still based on level 6 S2 cell density on their requirements as to not bog the system down. Maybe for higher density each player gets less submissions? Like super high denisty 2 every other week? But low density gets 7 every other week?
To recap: Much Harder Test, Ingress players have to retake, cap number of "current available" OPR users by region review radius, submissions based on density.
Also for pogo submitters show them nearby portals too to help prevent duplicates. Or better idea remove S2 Level 17 requirement for stops, and make it so all portals in Ingress are in Pokemon Go."
A wide open OPR system is bad for all games and Niantics core mission.
Pokemon already has submissions at lvl 40. Sorry you can't change that rule.
I absolutely cannot change that rule but Niantic can. The current submissions system limitedly available around the world in select countries for Pokemon Go is a Beta. Beta to full release sees various changes in the system for the fast majority of games, thus why its called a Beta.
Submissions would be limited to the same criteria as ingress which is lvl 20 s2. One thing that would help prevent the issues with bogging the system would be releasing the rest of the portals not given to pokemon or wizards, but it still doesn't help all communities.... Which is why more people are needed... Hell portal edits are another one way behind. they are what a few years out on them as well...
Ingress portal submissions are not based on S2 Level 20, they have a 20 Meter Rule, they can't be within 20 Meters of each other.
I actually agree that they should remove the S2 cell portal placement requirements for PoGo/HPWU that doesnt make sense. Keeping Gyms based on an S2 Level 14 makes sense still but limiting portals comparing each game doesnt.
They should all follow the 20 meter rule.
Lvl 14 doesn't make sense it limits too much. 18 or 20 spacing makes more sense for the amount of people. Not enough for everyone in the world to use. Plus niantic can work on a better 3d map if 360 views are done moving forward.
S2 Level 14 is only for gym placement not stop placement. Stop placement is S2 Level 17, I agree this should go away.
S2 Level 14 makes sense, maybe change the tier system for POI for Gyms but not Level 14 cells.
Currently
2 POI = 1 Stop 1 Gym
6 POI = 4 Stop 2 Gym
20 POI = 17 Stop 3 Gym
They could make it like
2 = 1 Stop 1 Gym
6 = 4 Stop 2 Gym
15 = 12 Stop 3 Gym
25 = 21 Stop 4 Gym
@NianticCasey
This thread is a toxic nightmare. Since our last request to mark the thread as "Closed", it has at least been marked as "Answered". However the OP continues to mutually antagonize other agents over Niantic's written OPR rules and definitions.
Please tag this thread as "Closed".
Using S2 squares actually gives a much more interesting distribution than just a 20m gap would, as it does allow close portals, but only rarely when the objects are in the corners of their squares.
Would closing the thread get to the source of the problem?
For the most part the S2 Level 17 distribution hasn't caused too many problems. It has in several situations where 2 things could be on opposite ends of the longer end of the Level 17 cell but nothing else is really around them.
I just believe all 3 games should share the exact POI databse, this would reduce some of the frustration between games. Its far from a full solution but would help.
A looked for a quick example, only the POI circled in Red appears in Pokemon Go despite the item to the left and the item at the top being pretty far away from the item circled in red.
No because opr would still be limited to vary little people in the overall player base, as a result having longer wait times due to the 31 countries in the world that were added to the ques. 31 countries that could have people helping the ques and reviewing submissions to help with also creating new additional portals.