Cause everything under the sun supports his point of view.
Thank you for leading me to that case of his, now I understand his fight with me about getting things added to parks and where his "knowledge" comes from. An unpermitted addition to his home property does not equal working with your parks and rec department to add things to improve public spaces. He is a trip.
Dude, did you read all his “claims” has to why he needed it? And the court pretty much saying he can walk just fine because he even has and uses a jet ski. Like they called him out so bad.
That he thinks his needs to host parties is greater than preventing water contamination is all I really needed to know. It's the same nonsense he's been pulling in these forums.
Also, more on topic! I'd be willing to wager very few PoGo players will actually stick with OPR. A few PoGo/Ingress players in my community leveled to 12 and did OPR for a month and then all the events and shiny checking took up their free time and they stopped altogether.
are you serious? ''deserve'' for real are you using that word? i will answer something that somebody posted elsewhere:
''When will ingressors understand that the majority of players doing OPR now are likely PokemonGo players (both that dropped after lv12 and those that continued playing). Neither of which care about the anomaly fee.
The number of reviewed portals hasn't dropped. The last checkpoint holds at 76K for RES and 74K for ENL...thats higher than the average of this last reporting period. Wanna know when those number drop? When there's big PokemonGo events lol
Even as someone that's been playing Ingress longer than PGO....I feel like the Ingress vets are overestimating their value in this particular area (i.e. OPR).''
OP's arguments were about giving access to Pokemon go players. My argument is Pokemon go players are notorious rule breakers, and therefore I highly disagree on giving them the power to review. My point is not about ingress players being deserving of OPR, it is about Pokemon go players not deserving of OPR. I sometimes question ingress players being deserving of OPR as well. The best solution would be for Niantic to employ a dedicated 24/7 portal reviewers, but they choose to give ingress players the power to review. And why do they do that?
Ingress players are indeed the best reviewers out of the three games, because ingress gameplay revolves on point of interest, unlike Pokemon go which revolves on imaginary creatures spawning on certain areas (not just around point of interest).
There is an incentive for ingress players to keep the quality of POI database, because that's the whole thing their game is revolving on. There is very little incentive for Pokemon go players to keep the quality of POI database, because their gameplay does not revolve on POI. POI is secondary to spawns in Pokemon go.
"My argument is Pokemon go players are notorious rule breakers,"... and conversely if you read the Pokemon Go forums, Ingress players are toxic people who will only approve a portal if it helps their faction.
The reality is that in every sufficiently large community, gaming or otherwise, you'll find good and bad people, rule breakers and people who follow rules. Generalisations like yours don't reflect reality (or the fact that multi-accounting in Pokemon Go doesn't have anywhere near the negative effect that it does in Ingress, if fact it's usually helpful to other players).
The most relevant group to consider when looking at how to build a crowd sourced database of POIs is Open Street Map contributors. They have built a vastly more complex and complete geographical database with NO requirement to play a game in order to contribute.... would they have managed to build such a comprehensive database if there was an arbitrary gaming requirement in place? Obviously not.
I am a very dedicated Pokémon Go player 4 times cap exp. I only played Ingress to submit and review portals, however my mindset more lays with @TropicalJet.
The problem is Pokémon go players while some are rule followers and some are not, all Pokemon Go players have incentive to approve every portal they see as it’s a positive benefit for them regardless. It’s like telling someone I’ll give you a dollar for every portal you approve, how likely are they to reject portals if they don’t get anything for it but get a lot by approving?
You also mention players who multi account and play on multiple, I agree in the actual game aspect most of the time it’s beneficial to the community for someone to have multiple, I personally know 2 separate people with 6 accounts each. Now Ingress is the opposite a multi account is unfair and hugely bad. However, if that person with 6 accounts submits on all 6, they could then go review on the other 5 for each and every submission. 5 sets of 5* is very dangerous to OPR that’s a pretty large sway. Now, most players don’t have 6 accounts however, where I live more people have 2 accounts compared to players with 1 account.
While I believe there could be benefit for more OPR reviewers I am really trying to think of a good way to increase it without also seeing thousands of trash cans and electrical towers being submitted and approved.
Good point @AgentB0ss - some sort of reward for reporting approved trash, maybe? This would have to be done carefully to avoid incentivising trash creation though.
About the issue of Pokemon Go players having multiple accounts: Yes, the people playing PoGo interested in OPR will vastly outnumber similarly interested Ingress players just by the nature of the player base. Multiple accounts may skew that, but honestly: Some in here have done 20K+ reviews from one account. Would you really like to do that again even one more time, on "the same" portals?
It is far more likely that any future "from Pogo reviewer" that manages to suffer through the tedium of OPR is not more likely to commit "evil vandalism" than any ingress player, and even if we get a local "megabrain villain" there will be others that correct. What we could learn from the OSM community is that some "vandals" (people making false edits for gameplay reasons) can become valuable parts of the community once they get more into it.
But Pogo-multis SENDING double/triple the amount of nominations, oh yeah, that will be day one. For some areas, that is the reality now and eventually, Niantic will have to add reviewers if they want to increase the value of their "game engine". (The other option is "endless backlog", but we've had OPR shutdown before so you know, it could happen again.)
I'd start with having easy access to (updated) guidelines in-app, and also better onboarding with a proper test.
Ironically it all has weird timing with redacted ending today. All in a week. With the only issue for ingress players is multiaccounting... hmm multiaccounting doesn't prevent people from spending money in pokemon. The end goal is niantic wants to make money. Guess we will see soon if it's going to happen. But it wouldn't surprise me. Since 2 major sites are not reporting it. Pokemonhub and silphroad.
Thank you for confirming your third Reddit account. Welcome to the party u/LocalInstigator.
While Niantic wants to make Money, their ultimate goal is to develop a POI Database that they can sell data from. So while they want to make money, Pokemon Go/Ingress/HPWU isnt their endgoal cash flow mechanism.
Sorry, must be a massive coincidence that you and so called u/LocalInstigator have posted multiple things in different locations within a couple minutes of each other.
Looks like its time to make a 4th Reddit Account to post with.
Scary part is it wasn't me. lol. Looks like you got someone else banned for voicing their opinion. Ironically, what people are supposed to do on reddit is voice their opinions.
A post on reddit from u/LocalInstigator, reading it sounds directly word for word bits and pieces of arguments you've used on here and Reddit from other various accounts you've used....
"How so?
First paragraph it literally says High-Quality portal candidates are those that help agents discover and enjoy their community. A flag at a park that not many in the community know or doesnt know about does help the community learn their communities.
It is the agents choice to submit a valuable submission on something that has culture, or history, hyper local spot or is a community gathering spot. But if its something that helps the community discover the community it should be allowed. Flags help discover various areas that are hidden gems in the area. Sports fields have them. Colleges have them. Parks have them. Some cemeteries have them. But they are all uniquely different from each other because flags can be different in appearance. It's a form of historic art work in a way when you think about it.
It is well known that flags are cultural important and shouldn't require some elaborate explanation. Some things in OPR reviews should be self explanatory because they make sense. I've seen bingo halls, movie theaters, picnic areas, all of these promote community gathering. A flag promotes culture and history for the area. A playground promotes exercise. What's the difference?"
You get notifications from Reddit just like me. So I am not sure where you are going.... The above sounds like a legit argument to me. I'd vote for those... And if you read my post about Flags, I tagged that person because it intrigued my opinion because I felt the same as them. Doesn't mean I am. I have had quite a few flag submissions rejected already, and still feel they should be allowed.
Ingress has never been pay to win like the other . Played it going on 2 years and have spent like $25, Same would go for the majority of Agents.
Is there a boycott by trainers if they don't get access to OPR? No..So they will keep dropping money into POGO regardless so where is Niantic motivation?
Almost 2 years ago the level changed to 10 and 12 respectively and Submissions where opened up. So for almost 2years trainers have had the opportunity to try a new game (technically an older game) that they knew could have a positive effect of the game they are currently playing.
Submissions still arnt available in major countries and it could be long into next year before they get them (no one knows for sure could be tomorrow).
Now I have always seen that as an opportunity and an excuse for recruitment. Come try this different game out. If it's not to your likely well you can slowly push on to get to your needed levels or you might find (like many that got involved in there local community) that they are now Agents and part time trainers.
Basically what I'm saying is any trainer that is eager and keen on submissions and OPR is likely already doing it. The ones that arnt either have agents, trainer/agents in there local area that have already improved areas submitting all relevant POI. The rest are likely Spoofers that don't bother wanting to improve anything because they just fly to the locations they want to play at.
Give up TimerClock no one want POI such as Benches - you can sit and rest on it, BBQ - it cooks food to eat, Lamp post - it makes light in dark
Ingress has never been a pay to play. Yet ingress players are upset that niantic wants to make money? (Boycot is about ingress players having to spend money.) Submissions will happen, it's just time. Whether it's today, or next month, one day it's happening, and I'll be relieved when it happens.
The recruitment occurred everytime someone asked in the other games they referred people to ingress. Now that submissions is in pokemon go already, the world wants the rest of the world to have it. Do you not see where they are coming from? If you guys are too strict on the POI's and it's not pleasing the community its defeating the purpose of the poi database. The poi database by ingress is already corrupted because it does have prp locations in it. Places that you guys sent players too.
Its been proven there is NO Boycott, the review numbers havent dipped in months.... Stop trying to quote there is a boycott. Reach through the article they had access to numbers but didnt provide any proof besides hearsay.
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Cause everything under the sun supports his point of view.
Thank you for leading me to that case of his, now I understand his fight with me about getting things added to parks and where his "knowledge" comes from. An unpermitted addition to his home property does not equal working with your parks and rec department to add things to improve public spaces. He is a trip.
Dude, did you read all his “claims” has to why he needed it? And the court pretty much saying he can walk just fine because he even has and uses a jet ski. Like they called him out so bad.
(Its bound to happen. They are retiring redacted. Think about it.) TimerClock
You are aware that Prime and Redacted are the same game? What they are Retiring is the older interface
2nd if you think about it what's that got to do with anything from that quoted statement
Now this is interesting, how would you like that badge reajusted?
That he thinks his needs to host parties is greater than preventing water contamination is all I really needed to know. It's the same nonsense he's been pulling in these forums.
Also, more on topic! I'd be willing to wager very few PoGo players will actually stick with OPR. A few PoGo/Ingress players in my community leveled to 12 and did OPR for a month and then all the events and shiny checking took up their free time and they stopped altogether.
SPECULATION.
Answer me: why do Pokemon go players deserve the privilege to review?
are you serious? ''deserve'' for real are you using that word? i will answer something that somebody posted elsewhere:
''When will ingressors understand that the majority of players doing OPR now are likely PokemonGo players (both that dropped after lv12 and those that continued playing). Neither of which care about the anomaly fee.
The number of reviewed portals hasn't dropped. The last checkpoint holds at 76K for RES and 74K for ENL...thats higher than the average of this last reporting period. Wanna know when those number drop? When there's big PokemonGo events lol
Even as someone that's been playing Ingress longer than PGO....I feel like the Ingress vets are overestimating their value in this particular area (i.e. OPR).''
OP's arguments were about giving access to Pokemon go players. My argument is Pokemon go players are notorious rule breakers, and therefore I highly disagree on giving them the power to review. My point is not about ingress players being deserving of OPR, it is about Pokemon go players not deserving of OPR. I sometimes question ingress players being deserving of OPR as well. The best solution would be for Niantic to employ a dedicated 24/7 portal reviewers, but they choose to give ingress players the power to review. And why do they do that?
Ingress players are indeed the best reviewers out of the three games, because ingress gameplay revolves on point of interest, unlike Pokemon go which revolves on imaginary creatures spawning on certain areas (not just around point of interest).
There is an incentive for ingress players to keep the quality of POI database, because that's the whole thing their game is revolving on. There is very little incentive for Pokemon go players to keep the quality of POI database, because their gameplay does not revolve on POI. POI is secondary to spawns in Pokemon go.
"My argument is Pokemon go players are notorious rule breakers,"... and conversely if you read the Pokemon Go forums, Ingress players are toxic people who will only approve a portal if it helps their faction.
The reality is that in every sufficiently large community, gaming or otherwise, you'll find good and bad people, rule breakers and people who follow rules. Generalisations like yours don't reflect reality (or the fact that multi-accounting in Pokemon Go doesn't have anywhere near the negative effect that it does in Ingress, if fact it's usually helpful to other players).
The most relevant group to consider when looking at how to build a crowd sourced database of POIs is Open Street Map contributors. They have built a vastly more complex and complete geographical database with NO requirement to play a game in order to contribute.... would they have managed to build such a comprehensive database if there was an arbitrary gaming requirement in place? Obviously not.
Actually OPR drops when there are big Ingress events on, like Dark XM, Myriad and Aurora.
I am a very dedicated Pokémon Go player 4 times cap exp. I only played Ingress to submit and review portals, however my mindset more lays with @TropicalJet.
The problem is Pokémon go players while some are rule followers and some are not, all Pokemon Go players have incentive to approve every portal they see as it’s a positive benefit for them regardless. It’s like telling someone I’ll give you a dollar for every portal you approve, how likely are they to reject portals if they don’t get anything for it but get a lot by approving?
You also mention players who multi account and play on multiple, I agree in the actual game aspect most of the time it’s beneficial to the community for someone to have multiple, I personally know 2 separate people with 6 accounts each. Now Ingress is the opposite a multi account is unfair and hugely bad. However, if that person with 6 accounts submits on all 6, they could then go review on the other 5 for each and every submission. 5 sets of 5* is very dangerous to OPR that’s a pretty large sway. Now, most players don’t have 6 accounts however, where I live more people have 2 accounts compared to players with 1 account.
While I believe there could be benefit for more OPR reviewers I am really trying to think of a good way to increase it without also seeing thousands of trash cans and electrical towers being submitted and approved.
Good point @AgentB0ss - some sort of reward for reporting approved trash, maybe? This would have to be done carefully to avoid incentivising trash creation though.
About the issue of Pokemon Go players having multiple accounts: Yes, the people playing PoGo interested in OPR will vastly outnumber similarly interested Ingress players just by the nature of the player base. Multiple accounts may skew that, but honestly: Some in here have done 20K+ reviews from one account. Would you really like to do that again even one more time, on "the same" portals?
It is far more likely that any future "from Pogo reviewer" that manages to suffer through the tedium of OPR is not more likely to commit "evil vandalism" than any ingress player, and even if we get a local "megabrain villain" there will be others that correct. What we could learn from the OSM community is that some "vandals" (people making false edits for gameplay reasons) can become valuable parts of the community once they get more into it.
But Pogo-multis SENDING double/triple the amount of nominations, oh yeah, that will be day one. For some areas, that is the reality now and eventually, Niantic will have to add reviewers if they want to increase the value of their "game engine". (The other option is "endless backlog", but we've had OPR shutdown before so you know, it could happen again.)
I'd start with having easy access to (updated) guidelines in-app, and also better onboarding with a proper test.
Petition on silphroad. Now....
Someone makes a post like that every week.
Agreed. Yet big picture.
1. Ingress in the news for boycotting OPR.
2. Redacted ends today.
3. Pokemon had submission photos fixed.
4. Petition to allow opr in pokemon.
Ironically it all has weird timing with redacted ending today. All in a week. With the only issue for ingress players is multiaccounting... hmm multiaccounting doesn't prevent people from spending money in pokemon. The end goal is niantic wants to make money. Guess we will see soon if it's going to happen. But it wouldn't surprise me. Since 2 major sites are not reporting it. Pokemonhub and silphroad.
1. Ingress in the news for boycotting OPR.
2. Redacted ends today. Switch to prime server for pokemon go spawns occured the other day.
3. Pokemon had submission photos fixed.
4. Petition to allow opr in pokemon.
Thank you for confirming your third Reddit account. Welcome to the party u/LocalInstigator.
While Niantic wants to make Money, their ultimate goal is to develop a POI Database that they can sell data from. So while they want to make money, Pokemon Go/Ingress/HPWU isnt their endgoal cash flow mechanism.
? Because I saw a link from silphroad? Uh, you need to grow up.
I would start thinking of areas that can get players going on submissions that isnt prp.
1. Parks are a good one. Anything manmade showed be allowed. As niantic wants people at parks instead of prp.
Wow. Other people in the world can agree on things? That can't be possible.
Sorry, must be a massive coincidence that you and so called u/LocalInstigator have posted multiple things in different locations within a couple minutes of each other.
Looks like its time to make a 4th Reddit Account to post with.
Scary part is it wasn't me. lol. Looks like you got someone else banned for voicing their opinion. Ironically, what people are supposed to do on reddit is voice their opinions.
@TimerCIock
A post on reddit from u/LocalInstigator, reading it sounds directly word for word bits and pieces of arguments you've used on here and Reddit from other various accounts you've used....
"How so?
First paragraph it literally says High-Quality portal candidates are those that help agents discover and enjoy their community. A flag at a park that not many in the community know or doesnt know about does help the community learn their communities.
It is the agents choice to submit a valuable submission on something that has culture, or history, hyper local spot or is a community gathering spot. But if its something that helps the community discover the community it should be allowed. Flags help discover various areas that are hidden gems in the area. Sports fields have them. Colleges have them. Parks have them. Some cemeteries have them. But they are all uniquely different from each other because flags can be different in appearance. It's a form of historic art work in a way when you think about it.
It is well known that flags are cultural important and shouldn't require some elaborate explanation. Some things in OPR reviews should be self explanatory because they make sense. I've seen bingo halls, movie theaters, picnic areas, all of these promote community gathering. A flag promotes culture and history for the area. A playground promotes exercise. What's the difference?"
You get notifications from Reddit just like me. So I am not sure where you are going.... The above sounds like a legit argument to me. I'd vote for those... And if you read my post about Flags, I tagged that person because it intrigued my opinion because I felt the same as them. Doesn't mean I am. I have had quite a few flag submissions rejected already, and still feel they should be allowed.
Ingress has never been pay to win like the other . Played it going on 2 years and have spent like $25, Same would go for the majority of Agents.
Is there a boycott by trainers if they don't get access to OPR? No..So they will keep dropping money into POGO regardless so where is Niantic motivation?
Almost 2 years ago the level changed to 10 and 12 respectively and Submissions where opened up. So for almost 2years trainers have had the opportunity to try a new game (technically an older game) that they knew could have a positive effect of the game they are currently playing.
Submissions still arnt available in major countries and it could be long into next year before they get them (no one knows for sure could be tomorrow).
Now I have always seen that as an opportunity and an excuse for recruitment. Come try this different game out. If it's not to your likely well you can slowly push on to get to your needed levels or you might find (like many that got involved in there local community) that they are now Agents and part time trainers.
Basically what I'm saying is any trainer that is eager and keen on submissions and OPR is likely already doing it. The ones that arnt either have agents, trainer/agents in there local area that have already improved areas submitting all relevant POI. The rest are likely Spoofers that don't bother wanting to improve anything because they just fly to the locations they want to play at.
Give up TimerClock no one want POI such as Benches - you can sit and rest on it, BBQ - it cooks food to eat, Lamp post - it makes light in dark
Irony, ingress players do, because they submit them too.
Ingress has never been a pay to play. Yet ingress players are upset that niantic wants to make money? (Boycot is about ingress players having to spend money.) Submissions will happen, it's just time. Whether it's today, or next month, one day it's happening, and I'll be relieved when it happens.
The recruitment occurred everytime someone asked in the other games they referred people to ingress. Now that submissions is in pokemon go already, the world wants the rest of the world to have it. Do you not see where they are coming from? If you guys are too strict on the POI's and it's not pleasing the community its defeating the purpose of the poi database. The poi database by ingress is already corrupted because it does have prp locations in it. Places that you guys sent players too.
You can flag me all you want buddy.
Its been proven there is NO Boycott, the review numbers havent dipped in months.... Stop trying to quote there is a boycott. Reach through the article they had access to numbers but didnt provide any proof besides hearsay.