€ 13 for an Anomaly Ticket?! For what? For an anomaly organized by agents? For an anomaly where Nia isn't even present? There's not even free swag. It's only for a Scanner Badge.
Okay, I can understand that they want to have Money for a badge - you have to pay for Character Badges too. But Agents who can't efford to pay/didn't want to pay don't have a Chance to get the badge because their efforts/power/perfomance during the anomaly as boots didn't count!!!! That should really be considered - € 13 is a hugh amount for many People which are already paying their Hotel, their flights, etc.
And now even the offsite attendees have to pay?! Are you serious?!
The day ingress died.... Twice... This is such an unethical move from NIA.. To announce it 1 month before while people already paid a lot to join on site booking flights, transports, accommodations etc. This is just against ingress spirit...
Those poor agents who haven't been able to attend past events, but are lucky enough to live in a city for this next round - they might not be able to get the badge now either.
On your second point ... just think of families with 4 players... (mother, father, two children...)... that's 4 times 18€, or 72€ ... you can go out for dinner for 4, for that money, easily.... (with children, at least)
Well, with this policy I canceled my trip. Let them keep the badge, will be as ugly as the last event badges anyway, maybe purple, blue or pink.
And 13€ for offsite tickets is the deathnote for rechargerooms. 13€ for what? The work agents have for organizing them, farming keys, etc.? Well thought.
not mentioning the price, tax questions etc, but a Credit card isn't that popular in some countries (e.g. Germany) as in others (e.g. UK). What about the Agents not owning one? Is there any chance to offer another way of paying, like Paypal or PlayStore or CMU?
Firstly Niantic turn off Redacted to make old gamers a bit stuck.Then making a game meant to be a struggle of two teams for world (read the description in PlayMarket,as an example) - into a crossfaction "i-don't-know-what".Then they want to actually sell a badge (not the paid one but just anomaly badge,which should be earned by some active actions,like all usual badges). Then offsite anomaly tickets cost the same as onsite(****?!). I am not sure that that is right choice.Seems this will be the worst-played anomaly at all.Maybe we should pay each time when we open that buggy Prime,yes?
After all this us players that reviews portals submissions and NIA job for FREE!
So if you add the really poor customers service with the end of TR program NIA need to do a u-turn ASAP or they will loose their most faithful players.
I suggest U to change price to $0.99 in whole world if U want to see if Agents are ready to play and give some extra benefits for those who paid already.
To be fair, a lot of faithful players started leaving once the toxicity from the guardian hunting, spoofing, and data scraping came to the forefront. It got worse with Prime’s force on new players and Redacted’s **** spiral.
You know all this strike would do is get PoGo and WU players angry at us as a community even more, since they “pay for our rent” (rent being the server farm and resources we share), and argue with “we already pay to play at events so why can’t you?”
Niantic already has to employ reviewers per that recent trespassing/nuisance settlement, so all this would do is just slow down the approval process with no real impact in many congested areas. They’ll just push through and delay QoL improvements that won’t affect profitability for any other game that utilizes the Real World Platform.
We would need a different approach to countering the effects of this. Maybe organize unofficial free volunteer-run events in different cities during the anomaly weekend. Then they could see how uninhibited free participation compares to paid participation in a global setting. People keep track of stats all the time in this game without needing Niantic’s direct access, and without breaking TOS. This happens on IFS events all the time. Mind you, such volunteer events will probably be less complex, similar to early anomaly series with cluster battles and field control with a couple other elements thrown in.
Also Niantic really needs to look at e-sports leagues in general. Free leagues tend to be more popular and competitive than the paid ones; paid ones tend to be more ‘elite’ and showy but also offer real prizes and swag so people join for the tangible stuff (hint HINT).
To be fair, a lot of faithful players started leaving once the toxicity from the guardian hunting, spoofing, and data scraping came to the forefront. It got worse with Prime’s force on new players and Redacted’s **** spiral.
You know all this strike would do is get PoGo and WU players angry at us as a community even more, since they “pay for our rent” (rent being the server farm and resources we share), and argue with “we already pay to play at events so why can’t you?”
Niantic already has to employ reviewers per that recent trespassing/nuisance settlement, so all this would do is just slow down the approval process with no real impact in many congested areas. They’ll just push through and delay QoL improvements that won’t affect profitability for any other game that utilizes the Real World Platform.
We would need a different approach to countering the effects of this. Maybe organize unofficial free volunteer-run events in different cities during the anomaly weekend. Then they could see how uninhibited free participation compares to paid participation in a global setting. People keep track of stats all the time in this game without needing Niantic’s direct access, and without breaking TOS. This happens on IFS events all the time. Mind you, such volunteer event will probably be less complex, similar to early anomaly series with cluster battles and field control with a couple other elements thrown in.
Also Niantic really needs to look at e-sports leagues in general. Free leagues tend to be more popular and competitive than the paid ones; paid ones tend to be more ‘elite’ and showy but also offer real prizes and swag so people join for the tangible stuff (hint HINT).
The next move - from the farm portals will drop out loot boxes. For opening each one you will need to pay $1 and the chance of drop rare and very rare items will be 0.001%. Mostly common heat-sink and L1 bursters will fall, so that L8 bursters will fall, you will need to pay a monthly subscription for $99
To be fair, a lot of faithful players started leaving once the toxicity from the guardian hunting, spoofing, and data scraping came to the forefront. It got worse with Prime’s force on new players and Redacted’s **** spiral.
You know all this strike would do is get PoGo and WU players angry at us as a community even more, since they “pay for our rent” (rent being the server farm and resources we share), and argue with “we already pay to play at events so why can’t you?”
Niantic already has to employ reviewers per that recent trespassing/nuisance settlement, so all this would do is just slow down the approval process with no real impact in many congested areas. They’ll just push through and delay QoL improvements that won’t affect profitability for any other game that utilizes the Real World Platform.
We would need a different approach to countering the effects of this. Maybe organize unofficial free volunteer-run events in different cities during the anomaly weekend. Then they could see how uninhibited free participation compares to paid participation in a global setting. People keep track of stats all the time in this game without needing Niantic’s direct access, and without breaking TOS. This happens on IFS events all the time. Mind you, such volunteer event will probably be less complex, similar to early anomaly series with cluster battles and field control with a couple other elements thrown in.
Also Niantic really needs to look at e-sports leagues in general. Free leagues tend to be more popular and competitive than the paid ones; paid ones tend to be more ‘elite’ and showy but also offer real prizes and swag so people join for the tangible stuff (hint HINT).
Well, looks like I won't be attending any anomalies outside Finland anymore if NIA can come up with **** like this AFTER everyone has booked their flights and all. (If any anomalies at all, €15 for a single badge is total bulls***.)
At this rate it looks like Nemesis will succeed in shutting down the portal network by killing all the interest in it.
Does that mean that NIA is now doing all the work they have let POC's do in the past? Or will they be paying them as a contractor to create, plan, advertise, recruit, contact, ect? I doubt it.
All participation was free until now. Swag, item packs and character cards were optional extras. And this was when Niantic actually turned up on site with registration staff and often one of the backstory/lore characters (an actor). Now we have to pay and they won't even be there because registration is automated.
I'm rather flabergasted to hear that. Anomoies seems like natural revenue streams. That they never charged before is rather idiotic, IMO. I wouldn't expect to go to an anime convention, arts&craft fair, or a trade show without paying the attendance fee.
As a person who has paid literally hundreds of dollars to Niantic for their tickets in the past, this would straight up discourage me from going on site, which is their goal I think. My wife doesn't care about swag, so she has always opted for the free ticket. I like swag so I pay. Together we would regularly shell out up to a hundred bucks per anomaly.
Now, there's no physical swag (all digital), and no free tickets? We may as well just go to a recharge room in my home state, there is no longer a reason for me to show up in person.
And what am I paying for, exactly? Am I paying for Niantic to run the entire anomaly - planning, meetups, afterparties, and all? Are they going to pay to transport keys across the country to the cities hosting Recharge Rooms? If they plan to do this, then that's fine, but in the past, the players were responsible for this themselves.
Ingress is already the most expensive free game I have ever played, this is just a huge slap in the face.
I totally agree with the part that since Niantic, doesn't participate on site at each event, the paid ticket it's kinda too much, since all the job gets done by each community all the time, but what I find most unacceptable is that there yet to be a post from someone in Niantic, explaining the reason behind this ticket value, especially for the off-site ones.
If Niantic plans to use the technology that created for the GoFest events that goes like, if you don't have a ticket you don't see the volatile portals, that could be the only good aspect of it, since it will prevent accounts from flying around affecting negatively the gameplay, like it happen in past anomalies especially when media were one of the anomaly's games for some points, that could prevent people buying more tickets for vault accounts as well, to do that. I'm curious to see what response will Niantic give to all of this chaos
$ 5.- = Badge + 1 Character + 2x AP and sheet and small loadout code
$ 10.- = badge + 2 characters + 2x AP and sheet and medium loadout code
Etc etc.
Remember digital stuff is not as valuable Als fysical stuff like the swag packs you used to have with patches/pins etc, and no one from Niantic is even at location or organising anything on-site.
I can get it that you want to see a (small) return in Ingress after all these years making the game, but this kinda action so short before hand of the UMBRA Anomalies is just mind blowing and the price in comparison to what you get even more.
I will be in Antwerp and no I will not attend the Anomaly this way, I will just have my holiday but without the stress of the event, take a tour around the city instead on Saturday and maybe do a Banner or 2. Will enjoy the Mission Day on Sunday. Even though I can still cancel my stay up to 24 hours before arrival and get a full refund.
They charged about 25 euro for the last GoFest in Dortmund + 5 euro service and tax, which I found fair since NIA was solely responsible for organizing and promoting the event. They went out of the way to rent THE WHOLE PARK for the whole day with tons of amenities (tents, seats, stages, free wifi, water, pamphlets, charging stations, electronics decorations, security, FREE SWAGS, roaming youtube influencers, etc.) and in general it feels worth the theme-park-tier price tag. Plus, GoFest is a no-brain, literal walk in the park affair in which you can just pick up a backpack, attend for one day and go back in the evening without much planning ahead.
This is not so for Ingress Anomalies, the physical value you get out of NIA is very limited. The scale is not even comparable. Not to mention you generally want to stay overnight for Sunday's MD and endure esport stress weeks before and during the actual event. We didn't even get water at Anomalies, we got stinky cup tokens and a powerpoint glyph sequence for victory announcement. NIA better up their game to at least half of GoFest if they wanted to start charging $18 for the normally free Anomalies.
This is a player organized event, Niantic's input here doesn't go much forther then "sanctioning" the event as official and setting up some sign up page where people can give them money and pushing a medal.
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€ 13 for an Anomaly Ticket?! For what? For an anomaly organized by agents? For an anomaly where Nia isn't even present? There's not even free swag. It's only for a Scanner Badge.
Okay, I can understand that they want to have Money for a badge - you have to pay for Character Badges too. But Agents who can't efford to pay/didn't want to pay don't have a Chance to get the badge because their efforts/power/perfomance during the anomaly as boots didn't count!!!! That should really be considered - € 13 is a hugh amount for many People which are already paying their Hotel, their flights, etc.
And now even the offsite attendees have to pay?! Are you serious?!
The day ingress died.... Twice... This is such an unethical move from NIA.. To announce it 1 month before while people already paid a lot to join on site booking flights, transports, accommodations etc. This is just against ingress spirit...
There goes the most expensive of the free games.
Calvinball IS the Ingress spirit.
Calvinballing the score is one thing. Calvinballing our wallets is another.
Just made me consider something I hadn't.
Those poor agents who haven't been able to attend past events, but are lucky enough to live in a city for this next round - they might not be able to get the badge now either.
On your second point ... just think of families with 4 players... (mother, father, two children...)... that's 4 times 18€, or 72€ ... you can go out for dinner for 4, for that money, easily.... (with children, at least)
Old passcodes will no longer redeem...
Took me a few mins to realise that was fake.. 😂
1 month before the upcoming annos...
Well, with this policy I canceled my trip. Let them keep the badge, will be as ugly as the last event badges anyway, maybe purple, blue or pink.
And 13€ for offsite tickets is the deathnote for rechargerooms. 13€ for what? The work agents have for organizing them, farming keys, etc.? Well thought.
Hey Nia,
not mentioning the price, tax questions etc, but a Credit card isn't that popular in some countries (e.g. Germany) as in others (e.g. UK). What about the Agents not owning one? Is there any chance to offer another way of paying, like Paypal or PlayStore or CMU?
Just wait enough time, and it won't be fake. Can see it coming 😂
Firstly Niantic turn off Redacted to make old gamers a bit stuck.Then making a game meant to be a struggle of two teams for world (read the description in PlayMarket,as an example) - into a crossfaction "i-don't-know-what".Then they want to actually sell a badge (not the paid one but just anomaly badge,which should be earned by some active actions,like all usual badges). Then offsite anomaly tickets cost the same as onsite(****?!). I am not sure that that is right choice.Seems this will be the worst-played anomaly at all.Maybe we should pay each time when we open that buggy Prime,yes?
I feel some butthurt.
In order to protest I will suggest an OPR strike.
After all this us players that reviews portals submissions and NIA job for FREE!
So if you add the really poor customers service with the end of TR program NIA need to do a u-turn ASAP or they will loose their most faithful players.
I suggest U to change price to $0.99 in whole world if U want to see if Agents are ready to play and give some extra benefits for those who paid already.
Pay for play? Bye Ingress
I already must pay my fuel and my hotel.
I leave this game after 5years, Sad.
To be fair, a lot of faithful players started leaving once the toxicity from the guardian hunting, spoofing, and data scraping came to the forefront. It got worse with Prime’s force on new players and Redacted’s **** spiral.
You know all this strike would do is get PoGo and WU players angry at us as a community even more, since they “pay for our rent” (rent being the server farm and resources we share), and argue with “we already pay to play at events so why can’t you?”
Niantic already has to employ reviewers per that recent trespassing/nuisance settlement, so all this would do is just slow down the approval process with no real impact in many congested areas. They’ll just push through and delay QoL improvements that won’t affect profitability for any other game that utilizes the Real World Platform.
We would need a different approach to countering the effects of this. Maybe organize unofficial free volunteer-run events in different cities during the anomaly weekend. Then they could see how uninhibited free participation compares to paid participation in a global setting. People keep track of stats all the time in this game without needing Niantic’s direct access, and without breaking TOS. This happens on IFS events all the time. Mind you, such volunteer events will probably be less complex, similar to early anomaly series with cluster battles and field control with a couple other elements thrown in.
Also Niantic really needs to look at e-sports leagues in general. Free leagues tend to be more popular and competitive than the paid ones; paid ones tend to be more ‘elite’ and showy but also offer real prizes and swag so people join for the tangible stuff (hint HINT).
To be fair, a lot of faithful players started leaving once the toxicity from the guardian hunting, spoofing, and data scraping came to the forefront. It got worse with Prime’s force on new players and Redacted’s **** spiral.
You know all this strike would do is get PoGo and WU players angry at us as a community even more, since they “pay for our rent” (rent being the server farm and resources we share), and argue with “we already pay to play at events so why can’t you?”
Niantic already has to employ reviewers per that recent trespassing/nuisance settlement, so all this would do is just slow down the approval process with no real impact in many congested areas. They’ll just push through and delay QoL improvements that won’t affect profitability for any other game that utilizes the Real World Platform.
We would need a different approach to countering the effects of this. Maybe organize unofficial free volunteer-run events in different cities during the anomaly weekend. Then they could see how uninhibited free participation compares to paid participation in a global setting. People keep track of stats all the time in this game without needing Niantic’s direct access, and without breaking TOS. This happens on IFS events all the time. Mind you, such volunteer event will probably be less complex, similar to early anomaly series with cluster battles and field control with a couple other elements thrown in.
Also Niantic really needs to look at e-sports leagues in general. Free leagues tend to be more popular and competitive than the paid ones; paid ones tend to be more ‘elite’ and showy but also offer real prizes and swag so people join for the tangible stuff (hint HINT).
The next move - from the farm portals will drop out loot boxes. For opening each one you will need to pay $1 and the chance of drop rare and very rare items will be 0.001%. Mostly common heat-sink and L1 bursters will fall, so that L8 bursters will fall, you will need to pay a monthly subscription for $99
To be fair, a lot of faithful players started leaving once the toxicity from the guardian hunting, spoofing, and data scraping came to the forefront. It got worse with Prime’s force on new players and Redacted’s **** spiral.
You know all this strike would do is get PoGo and WU players angry at us as a community even more, since they “pay for our rent” (rent being the server farm and resources we share), and argue with “we already pay to play at events so why can’t you?”
Niantic already has to employ reviewers per that recent trespassing/nuisance settlement, so all this would do is just slow down the approval process with no real impact in many congested areas. They’ll just push through and delay QoL improvements that won’t affect profitability for any other game that utilizes the Real World Platform.
We would need a different approach to countering the effects of this. Maybe organize unofficial free volunteer-run events in different cities during the anomaly weekend. Then they could see how uninhibited free participation compares to paid participation in a global setting. People keep track of stats all the time in this game without needing Niantic’s direct access, and without breaking TOS. This happens on IFS events all the time. Mind you, such volunteer event will probably be less complex, similar to early anomaly series with cluster battles and field control with a couple other elements thrown in.
Also Niantic really needs to look at e-sports leagues in general. Free leagues tend to be more popular and competitive than the paid ones; paid ones tend to be more ‘elite’ and showy but also offer real prizes and swag so people join for the tangible stuff (hint HINT).
Well, looks like I won't be attending any anomalies outside Finland anymore if NIA can come up with **** like this AFTER everyone has booked their flights and all. (If any anomalies at all, €15 for a single badge is total bulls***.)
At this rate it looks like Nemesis will succeed in shutting down the portal network by killing all the interest in it.
Does that mean that NIA is now doing all the work they have let POC's do in the past? Or will they be paying them as a contractor to create, plan, advertise, recruit, contact, ect? I doubt it.
I'm more surprised to find out that Naintic even allowed unpaid participation in an organized event, such as an anomaly.
All participation was free until now. Swag, item packs and character cards were optional extras. And this was when Niantic actually turned up on site with registration staff and often one of the backstory/lore characters (an actor). Now we have to pay and they won't even be there because registration is automated.
I'm rather flabergasted to hear that. Anomoies seems like natural revenue streams. That they never charged before is rather idiotic, IMO. I wouldn't expect to go to an anime convention, arts&craft fair, or a trade show without paying the attendance fee.
As a person who has paid literally hundreds of dollars to Niantic for their tickets in the past, this would straight up discourage me from going on site, which is their goal I think. My wife doesn't care about swag, so she has always opted for the free ticket. I like swag so I pay. Together we would regularly shell out up to a hundred bucks per anomaly.
Now, there's no physical swag (all digital), and no free tickets? We may as well just go to a recharge room in my home state, there is no longer a reason for me to show up in person.
And what am I paying for, exactly? Am I paying for Niantic to run the entire anomaly - planning, meetups, afterparties, and all? Are they going to pay to transport keys across the country to the cities hosting Recharge Rooms? If they plan to do this, then that's fine, but in the past, the players were responsible for this themselves.
Ingress is already the most expensive free game I have ever played, this is just a huge slap in the face.
I totally agree with the part that since Niantic, doesn't participate on site at each event, the paid ticket it's kinda too much, since all the job gets done by each community all the time, but what I find most unacceptable is that there yet to be a post from someone in Niantic, explaining the reason behind this ticket value, especially for the off-site ones.
If Niantic plans to use the technology that created for the GoFest events that goes like, if you don't have a ticket you don't see the volatile portals, that could be the only good aspect of it, since it will prevent accounts from flying around affecting negatively the gameplay, like it happen in past anomalies especially when media were one of the anomaly's games for some points, that could prevent people buying more tickets for vault accounts as well, to do that. I'm curious to see what response will Niantic give to all of this chaos
Almost everything is said in this thread.
Pay to win Anomaly is not the way to go.
Reconsider your decision in this matter.
And set up a fair ticket system.
Free (or $ 1.-) = Anomaly Badge (on-site/off-site difference maybe even)
$ 5.- = Badge + 1 Character + 2x AP and sheet and small loadout code
$ 10.- = badge + 2 characters + 2x AP and sheet and medium loadout code
Etc etc.
Remember digital stuff is not as valuable Als fysical stuff like the swag packs you used to have with patches/pins etc, and no one from Niantic is even at location or organising anything on-site.
I can get it that you want to see a (small) return in Ingress after all these years making the game, but this kinda action so short before hand of the UMBRA Anomalies is just mind blowing and the price in comparison to what you get even more.
I will be in Antwerp and no I will not attend the Anomaly this way, I will just have my holiday but without the stress of the event, take a tour around the city instead on Saturday and maybe do a Banner or 2. Will enjoy the Mission Day on Sunday. Even though I can still cancel my stay up to 24 hours before arrival and get a full refund.
They charged about 25 euro for the last GoFest in Dortmund + 5 euro service and tax, which I found fair since NIA was solely responsible for organizing and promoting the event. They went out of the way to rent THE WHOLE PARK for the whole day with tons of amenities (tents, seats, stages, free wifi, water, pamphlets, charging stations, electronics decorations, security, FREE SWAGS, roaming youtube influencers, etc.) and in general it feels worth the theme-park-tier price tag. Plus, GoFest is a no-brain, literal walk in the park affair in which you can just pick up a backpack, attend for one day and go back in the evening without much planning ahead.
This is not so for Ingress Anomalies, the physical value you get out of NIA is very limited. The scale is not even comparable. Not to mention you generally want to stay overnight for Sunday's MD and endure esport stress weeks before and during the actual event. We didn't even get water at Anomalies, we got stinky cup tokens and a powerpoint glyph sequence for victory announcement. NIA better up their game to at least half of GoFest if they wanted to start charging $18 for the normally free Anomalies.
This is a player organized event, Niantic's input here doesn't go much forther then "sanctioning" the event as official and setting up some sign up page where people can give them money and pushing a medal.