Make opr medal a requirement to submit portal
Bronze or silver medal at least.
So players learn portal guideline before submitting.
There still submission is schools, round about, private garden... which are clearly on a no portal criteria
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Bronze or silver medal at least.
So players learn portal guideline before submitting.
There still submission is schools, round about, private garden... which are clearly on a no portal criteria
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I quite like this idea, makes them have to take the OPR test and if they fail then they are denied the ability to submit, while if they pass they then have an established background knowledge of whats good and what isnt.
Bad idea [for me personally] failed the test but have already 99 submissions accepted.
failed the test by doing it on the wrong device and just not paying attention:-)
Placing some form of gatekeeping isn't going to prevent bad nominations no mater how hard you try to limit nomination. All it really does is just reduce the total number of nominations, good or bad. On top of that, limiting nominations will do nothing more than preserve the status quo between the have and have nots when it comes to portals. As someone who has fundamentally transformed the game for myself and others in my area by discovering over 100 new portals since early December 2018 with another 70+ nominations being evaluated and less than 20 rejections (most of which were do to proximity to other portals), artificially limiting players ability to nominate new portals just because a few people are annoyed by a few "bad nominations" isn't something I'm willing to accept.
Im going to turn the table on this how about doing something about bad reviewers. Like why do we still have military base portals still going online after being told to 1*, approving of traffic circles or portals in medians, approving portals but moving the pin to the middle of athletic field and court. Blame also goes to bad reviewers. i got a basketball court moved to the middle of the court when i submitted it and local agents denied my edit in OPR to move it back to the edge. I am at the point that abuse needs to be handled with at the reviewer level as with submitters who are sending in portals with explicit content or just for jabs jokes.
But its not just a few bad nominations, going through our local OPR groups, per person it ranges from between a quater to a half of all total agreements are candidates that have been rejected.
Using yesterday's figures, the total review was 151,256, being generous and saying 1/5 of them were rejection agreements, thats still over 30 thousand poor submissions that have been rejected. And that's just for one day.
The idea isnt to create a divide between the Have and the Have nots, everyone would be allowed the chance to do submissions if they work towards it and pass the test.
All it is is an expansion of the current system as currently all you need to do to be able to submit is level up, you don't need to have any knoweldge about what your submitting, but as soon as you hit level, then you're given free reign. At least this way people are educated about things like PRP, License Plates in pictures etc etc, before being let lose and allowed to submit whatever they want
Genuinely curious, how can you have done it on the wrong device?
@kholman1 Are you a OPR member? Frankly, location edit is not as simple as you think.
As a submitter, you are familar with the Portal layout. What reviewers see is satelite images. If lucky, reviewers get two markers to choose from. If extremely lucky, they get a cluster of markers to choose from.
How to choose, you tell me... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-BLFgFo6CIYWIoeoeTE1SIOTH9ZWqABd/view?usp=drivesdk
Hope you will understand. Thanks for reading. 😄
But lets be honest you can tell when a basketball court has only two pin locations and the portal is in the middle and the locals still deny it being moved to the edge of the court.
Yes am a reviewer with over 18k agreements and 194 portals approved
OPR with a minimum review requirement should definitely come before submitting portals. Its an unpopular opinion but from what i’ve seen peoples submissions improve drastically once they hit 12 and start reviewing.
@TheFarix If you have that sort of submission record, then you were clearly very motivated to play and learn and submit. Honestly I think it would not be a bad idea to have a little more education before players can submit. I know many who started submitting and submitted complete trash, and then learned the guidelines and turned around and are now submitting well. I think it would benefit us all if people had to at least actually read the guidelines before they could submit portals since it would reduce the amount of poor submissions and hence speed up the OPR process.
How many times have people seen a BAD submission they had to reject, and yet you could clearly see good submissions nearby, or there is a minor issue with the submission that could be corrected to make it a good one? If agents were forced to take the OPR test before submitting, how many MORE high quality submissions would we get that might otherwise have been a low quality one?
@kholman1 Location edits are currently ridiculous. I don't know anyone who has successfully gotten a portal moved locally. The process is basically designed for failure and too many agents are hyper-paranoid that moves are going to mess up their fielding or are being proposed for malicious reasons, that they simply reject all portal moves out of hand. We need, at a minimum, to be able to include a supporting statement and photo. Even then, it will still be a battle to get any moves past the paranoid reviewers.
I am having this issue locally. We got a new agent submitting 1* portals and I submitted two portals that are still pending at one of the parks they submitted a concession stand with the restrooms attached. I also am trying to reach out to local agents and give them some general advice on the guidelines and try to get them into the XFAC OPR chat if they want to join. I may sound biased but I have been trying to submit every valid portal at my local parks in my city which has taken over a year and feel like people aren't taking the time to follow the guidelines and they want another portal or stop/gym and don't care what they submit. A concession stand seems like someone is trying to be desperate for a portal. I have actually gone back and resurveyed areas for valid portals it isn't that hard once the agents get the guidelines down.
You making a mistake doesn’t make it a bad idea
@ElfFromSpace although it is silly to not have a dedicated place for it, many people opt to submit a "supporting statement" as a description edit together with the location edit, since both are reviewed together. This obviously doesn't remove some reviewers' natural suspicion towards any sort of change, but it does help. In my area I have seen a number of legitimate edits go through successfully.
Since portal nominations in Prime now allow one to provide a separate supporting statement, I am cautiously optimistic that when edits are added to Prime (soon™) there will also be a field for a supporting statement.
Yep! My locals do that as well. It sure helps me when I'm reviewing because I generally trust the local players that I know. We are pretty serious about OPR and improving the overall quality of the portal network! But I haven't seen any of these moves actually go through and get approved. Many reviewers are super suspicious of any location change, even when most of them are benign. The fact that it takes so long for a portal move to get approved means it's so highly unlikely that one submitted with the intention of messing up fielding will be approved in a timeframe that the fielding is even the same! However I see so many people even here in this forum who blatantly don't want any moves at all since they assume they're all either outright malicious, dangerous, or trivial. One person in this forum even went on a rant about my suggestion to make portal edits easier because they, mistakenly, thought these description statements were somehow going to get the portals moved.
I truly hope you are right about supporting statements and I dearly hope they are added to prime soon!
Agreed. I have been able to submit only since January, and in that time I have rapidly realized that there is potential for new portals all over! Most of what I find are park features (playgrounds, ball fields) murals and sculptures (often new) and local restaurants/game shops (sometimes a hard sell, but if you do your research you can make a good submission! I have started using the "supporting photo" not to take a second picture of the storefront, but for things like a sign or menu-back where some of the local joints proud of their history tell customers their own background. Worked really well, for example, with the Greek joint that has been owned by a family of refugees from Crete since the 1970s.)