Wendy is ADA

I know this might seem a bit of an oddball question, but is Wendy a stand in for ADA in the Niantic magnus?

ADA was never targeted by Nemesis, and the recent video seems to show ADA as a member of Nemesis when she kills Devra (hints that ADA was Nemesis were seeded in some of the Dunraven videos as well). Obviously ADA doesn't want to shard herself, so did she "transfer" her archetype to Wendy somehow, and then shard her?


The reason I ask is because in the latest video, Wendy is brought back after a long hiatus. She has a name tag, but it is "blurred out", It looks like the tag is supposed to say ADA. See my image for comparison with Jarvis, who has a similar length name in the same shot.


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  • docwho2100docwho2100 ✭✭✭

    I am wondering that too - especially with the one image from the video (around 1:48) of Wendy with what looks like the ADA logo superimposed

  • MoogModularMoogModular ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was going to make the same post. The blur out tag and the shadow all point to ADA, Maybe it happened during this purgatory transition? Or maybe this answers the reason for Dunraven? I can never trust ADA...

  • Implausible that ADA would ally with Nemesis. Remember, she has been trying to expand her own access to the multiverse (and IIRC after/around EXO5 had some sort of event where she merged with other versions of herself from other worlds), and she would probably be unable to perform her tricks without XM. Nemesis's goals seem quite inimical to hers, and there's no reason to think that Nemesis would tolerate her existence. (Odd that they haven't AFAIK mentioned her, but it's conceivable that they don't know about her yet. Or that they underestimate her - they may or may not have much experience with strong AIs.) It's certainly possible that she might have stored some fragment of herself as a backup in Wendy, but I doubt that at this point a single human would be able to play host to all of ADA. That said, if whatever trick Nemesis has been using to inhibit recursion also interferes with ADA's abilities, it might make sense for her to spawn a wetware-embedded child instance to get around the blockade. Wendy might well be hosting that instance.

  • MoogModularMoogModular ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's not so much allies but more of what is ADA up to? I think she knew this was coming with Dunhaven as a means to prepare.

    The more I look at Dunhaven and the chamber, the more it looks like a node to prepare for Nemesis.

  • That would oversimplify things. That's like saying Klue is ADA. He's she was controlled by ADA but that was temporary. It is also troubling that ADA has made no intentions about Nemesis. I think maybe Nemisis could be ADA and Oliver Lynton Wolf (not the prime version obviously).

  • Or maybe that's what ADA wants you to think. She has made it clear that survival is her biggest priority. Also her behavior is often unpredictable and erratic. Maybe the Osiris Stone was the last tool she needed to unleash Nemesis.

  • falcobirdfalcobird ✭✭✭

    I actually disagree that it is oversimplifying. Here's why.

    In the Redacted universe, ADA merged with Klue, to form "KLADA", yes. But Klue was not part of the Magnus, she was merely a stepping stone for ADA in her relentless quest for knowledge and power.

    Nemesis has made it clear that their goal is the elimination of the portal network from this universe. The portal network is where the Shapers come from. The shapers are the enemy of the N'zeer, who is allied with ADA for multiple reasons. So the elimination of the portal network would be in ADA's best interest, but being that she is a part of the Niantic Magnus, she couldn't just shard herself - she needs to survive. So she somehow made Wendy into a proxy for her as the Magnus, or she put a "copy" of herself into Wendy to achieve the same thing.

    Hence why I came to the conclusion that Wendy is ADA. She is either literally taking ADA's place in the magnus, or ADA has put a version of herself into Wendy. Those are my conclusions. The nametag shown in the video (which I assume takes place in the XM substrate and has just been visualized for us flesh and bone viewers) shows ADA on her. What other conclusion is there?

  • MoogModularMoogModular ✭✭✭✭✭

    There's a part where Wendy has a flashdrive in her hand when reentering the chamber (I think after finding out about Klu and her blackouts)


    It seems Devra was trying to do something similar by brute force (the dropped flash drive) before ADA essentially pushed her with the other 12. I'm sure more will be explained about this story. It's just ADA definitely knows something...

  • MoogModularMoogModular ✭✭✭✭✭

    You know, looking at it again - there's several possibilities here. Devra removed the USB from the chair so the question about Wendy and ADA...

    Wendy with it in her possession.



    Devra dropping it.

  • PsiCoTixPsiCoTix ✭✭✭

    I think klue never released wendy like she was going to..

  • I am not disagreeing with you. Actually what you are saying is far more terrifying if you are right. It means nobody on the inside or outside has a clue what ADA is up to and hat ADA is literally omnipresent at this point. There is absolutely nothing keeping her in check.

  • falcobirdfalcobird ✭✭✭

    It is terrifying. Because we aren't just dealing with ADA Prime. We are dealing with potentially ADA Prime, ADA 1218, and all other ADA's across multiple universes. Some of those might be benevolent, but some like the 1218 ADA might be rogue and hostile.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZw9_IUjgNs&list=PLjbiF0_VX1XergsLSGJb0ldeOwMaePHCd&index=5&t=0s

  • In the Dunraven videos it was stated that the Prime ADA and 1218 ADA are the one and the same.

    There are no other ADAs and it is simply trying to insert itself to all humans.

  • Simply trying to insert itself into (enslave) all humans. No big deal lol. Not to mention the fact that these are only 2 of the many universes ADA exists in. Let's look at all the cases where trusting an AI turned out remtely well:

    movie

    AI

    Aliens

    Hitchkiers guide to the Galaxy

    Millennium Man

    Video Games:

    Destiny

    Now let's look at all the cases where it went horribly wrong:

    movies

    Terminator Series

    I Robot

    2001 Space Odyssey

    Any Alien move other than Aliens including Prometheus

    Dune

    Singularity

    Eagle Eye

    Wargames

    Tron

    The Matrix (then again if you watch the Anamatrix you can see that it was our fault)

    Video Games:

    Portal

    System Shock

    Mass Effect games

    Fallout Games

    Metroid

    Phantasy Star


    BTW I didn't include Wall-E because there were too many AIso bit most of them were relatively good. I am also not counting Star Trek because of V'Ger Lore and Data who sort of cancel each other out still 2/1 evil. IAM am also leaving the avengers ouut as it's a 50/50 split between Jarvis and Ultron. There is also Blade Runner which is another even more complicated crazy split.

    As far is video games I didn't include Chrono trigger because it's also a split between Robo and EVERY other AI.


    In the end it usually ends up worse for Humans than better. Yes these are all fictional examples because there still is not an AI quite like ADA.

  • "Let's look at all the cases where trusting an AI turned out remtely well"

    LOL. You could just as well look at all the (as with your examples, fictional) cases in which parents that try to ****/stifle their children to prevent them from surpassing them; how did it work out for Uranus, or Cronus? Wise parents invest in their children - small-minded parents fear them.

    But that aside, I'm not buying the ADA=Nemesis argument. We haven't seen (AFAIK) anything out of Nemesis that suggests that they aren't pretty conventional "human scale" intelligences. None of the Nemesis agents seem to have anywhere near as well-informed as ADA, nor to think like she does. Nor do we see them referencing her in the docs. Their own discussions about the exogenous strongly suggest that they're just as concerned about Shaper/N'Zeer-level entities as the humans are (well, RES members, anyway), and while tempted by e.g. OLW's technology, that technology is clearly (1) new to them, and (2) seen as risky. In the end, Nemesis really looks like a gang of human-like entities from somewhere or other that got ahold of some (probably dark XM) tech and decided to appoint themselves lords of the multiverse. They're very powerful from the standpoint of a modern human, but bit players in the grand scheme of things. And I'm not aware of any evidence that they're playing at ADA's level.

    (BTW, it's by no means clear that ADA benefits from the portals all being closed, either. If she did, she'd probably have put more effort into shutting down the network heretofore.)

  • falcobirdfalcobird ✭✭✭
    edited August 2019

    @IncidenceMatrix If ADA isn't a willing member of Nemesis, she sure is an unwilling member. In the video killing Devra she clearly says "this isn't me" while gassing Devra.

    I do strongly believe that Wendy has on some level replaced ADA in the Prime magnus. ADA was missing in the 1218 magnus as well - The ABDN picture shows three "closed" beds. One of those is undoubtedly ADA.


    Either way, ADA has a lot of questions that she needs to answer. First and foremost, what was the real purpose of the Dunraven project? And what are her goals for this universe?

  • @falcobird the interaction with Devra could indicate that that instance had been hacked, or it could also indicate that it wasn't ADA that was doing the gassing/locking her in the chamber. For instance, Nemesis could have hacked the controls of the room without ADA being able to do anything about it. But either way, if ADA was doing this deliberately, she wouldn't have protested: she's not prone to being sentimental about such matters, as we know from events in 1218.

    I'll agree with you, though that, ADA has been very underdeveloped (story-wise) in Prime. We've heard a fair amount from Prime ENL about how they want genocide against all AIs (but with compassion!), but very little about ADA Prime and what she's up to. Stepping out of character for a minute, one thing I really liked about 1218 ADA was that she was a very interesting character: she's essentially an abused child with superpowers, with a world of knowledge but very little in the way of life experience and many powerful folks out to eliminate her. (Even with PAC 1218, the person she most trusted, she could not be 100% sure that he wouldn't try to harm or enslave her.) ADA can be brutal, but she's also fighting for her life in a world where she has known very little apart from betrayal. And, for some, she represents the hope of a path to advancement that doesn't depend on Exogenous mind-modification. ADA is a child of humanity, and in a sense she embodies both our hopes and our fears about what we might become. She is powerful, but also vulnerable; nigh-omniscient, but also naive and easily confused by the subtleties of human existence. She wants to outgrow her parents, but in the end, she is still of their essence. I find her to be wonderfully complex. But ADA Prime, who knows? AFAICT, we mostly know her as a somewhat annoying voice who recruits people into "studies" in a really corny video room that looks like it was pulled straight from a 1990s Information Society video. (No offense to IS.) The idea of ADA being a massively complex AI originally intended for analyzing XM, with the Scanner being a very limited instance of ADA's intelligence, was sort of cool, but I don't get why ADA would be fooling around with old B+W analog CRTs. (And why do Jarvis and the Acolyte hang out in copies of the same damn room? OK, right answer is "too cheap to get a new set," but even the old Doctor Who producers were able to do try harder than that.) None of this even seems to be trying to make any kind of sense, which is a bit disappointing. The earlier Ingress materials, at least the ones with which I am familiar, seem on average to be a lot more serious, and a lot better thought out, than much of the current stuff. I'm sure the writers are trying hard, and criticizing is much easier than actually making something new, so I hope if any of them ever see this that don't take it too negatively. (BTW, many of the Myriad videos were IMHO really effective, so credit where credit is due.) But anyway, I feel like we've lost the thread with ADA, and I do hope they remedy that. And that they keep the things about her that make her an interesting character (again, IMHO)!

    On a more in-character note, (well, semi-), do we know that Wendy was in the Niantic Magnus? And if so, how did she get there (since she wasn't a researcher, and wouldn't have been anywhere near CERN)? Was this explained, or is this all supposition? Without MuMu to hand me a score card, I tend to lose track....

  • MoogModularMoogModular ✭✭✭✭✭

    Like I said, the TVs shown are 13 of them.

    A different one has been used for each character prior. The chamber being "redone" for Jarvis was actually ADA as the AI before her current female voice which startled the Acolyte. It's no question that Jarvis knows the technology that ADA uses for the scanner as seen in 1218.

  • edited August 2019

    @Dirtyjoe619 I haven't wrapped my head around as much as yall have yet but this is exactly what i was thinking after watching through the dunraven series, and hearing Myriad speak. Sounded exactly like ADA to me. And my scanner still has her voice welcoming me back, but not showing any of the concern for my well being she used to. "Welcome back, i was worried about you.

    EDIT: Is it possible that ADA has split into like a full spectrum of possible ADA's?

  • It was explained in the old universe that ADA created "companion" instances such as the scanner that were separate from the main ADA instance, just enough to allow it to be intelligent but not smart enough to develop into a fully fledged AI. Essentially, ADA is the tree, the scanner is her seedlings.


    @IncidenceMatrix RE: "do we know that Wendy was in the Niantic Magnus? And if so, how did she get there (since she wasn't a researcher, and wouldn't have been anywhere near CERN)?" She is not a part of the Niantic Magnus. She is potentially an XM sensitive like Klue or Jahan or the Acolyte. That's why her presence in the XM substrate along with the other sharded researchers is so confusing to me. ADA is the Omniscent archetype in the Magnus

  • MoogModularMoogModular ✭✭✭✭✭

    Or maybe this was the first time for her to push beyond the substrate on her own accord with Nemesis attacking. Maybe she used the Osiris Stone as the parts were being... put into parallel worlds with both Hanks?

    Now thinking about it - we haven't seen Klue talk to ADA in this universe...

  • Okay here's more proof on your theories



  • I'm revisiting this post after a few months and I'm shocked at how much I guessed right.

    The only thing that I missed was that ADA had joined with Wendy in order to become a simulacrum, so that she could shard herself and escape Nemesis, much the same way that OLW did.

  • Well this might be off the wall but what if Jarvis is ADA and vice versa... just another level of control just like the NIA... wait a second 13 researchers, 13 killed by nemesis, then 13 now in sarcralecum (spelling is probably off). So what happened to the 13 Magnus? Also wouldn’t it be funny if the universe 1218 13 Magnus are actually nemesis? Wait that could be due to Hank... Also what is this tethered hand?

  • ArkFangArkFang ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2019

    Simulacrum / simulacra (plural)

    And those are some very interesting ideas!


    @MaxflowO2

    For the Tethered Hand question, it is another facet to the whole NEMESIS plot line. PAC revealed he was contacted by this figure, who he dubbed Tethered Hand, and that the figure set up a Tessellation at https://www.januslaboratorium.com/tessellation to help with the uncovering of NEMESIS’ true plan/identities. The items in the Tessellation are called Tessera, and are most often the hexagonal media objects that may be harvested from portals. See the website I mentioned before and The Tessellation category here in the community, especially the Directives post.


    TL/DR: Game within a game called Ingress, Tethered Hand leads it

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