Portals do not get rated/voted on anymore
Since a few months, I haven't heard of any portal decision beside boosted ones. (Which take one or two weeks from intially a few hours)
I put now several 100s in the queue and non of them get rated or voted on.
Anyone else have the same experience?
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This will of course vary depending of where you are in the world, but summers normally slow things down. This summer we have double nominations from dedicated Ingress players, possibly a lot of freshly levelled L10s also.
How do you put more than 14 (+14) in the queue?
Well, it has been like this since about 4-5 months. I'am a Level 40 Pogo Player aswell, which gives me the option to submit 35 (28+7) each 2 weeks.
This means 70 each month. Add that up for 5 months and I am roughly at 300 portals. (Pogo Submissions are live since ~2 months here)
Add the ones that are in "limbo" since over a year - i will probably be around 400.
I have gained 10 upgrades since then, therefore you could probably remove 10 plus a few I have recieved a decision on.
So roughly i have about 300 portal submissions outstanding.
With double submissions from redacted and prime and the select few countries that have pogo submissions, the backlog has definitely increased. We had finally started out to clean up the queue in Houston from 8 to 9 month review time down to 3 months for a lot of candidates before prime got submissions. We are back to 7 to 8 month since I haven't seen a natural response in weeks. I now aim for upgrades and am waiting for redacted submission capabilities to disappear before the backlog starts clearing up again.
My recommendation is encourage folks to aim for upgrades otherwise you won't get responses in dense urban spaces for your candidates.
@msz21 , here's the ironic part. In rural Montana and I hear back in a week if not less. It makes no sense to me since I have heard complaints from rural New Mexico.
@Glenuendo So OPR is dependent on local proximity for the most part. If there isn't either a dense urban city within 200km of you or not enough active reviewers in that country, it is extremely likely your specific country doesn't have enough reviewers. This happens a lot in certain high density Asian and African countries where most of the playerbase will be located in one concentrated area and the other areas have nearly no portals. When I visited India, Bombay or Mumbai had a crazy amount of portals meanwhile when I went to Indore another massive city in India but lesser known for foreigners and quite a distance from Mumbai, there were around 60 to 80 portals for the whole 2 million plus city with a lot of additional large cities with critically low amounts of portals. Keep in mind every street has a temple, garden, or mosque or some statue so there's a lot of candidates. Since there was no active ingress high level community with a bunch of under level 6 agents who were trying to max field in the sparse and spread out area, I submitted a bunch in one area that was high quality candidates and reviewed nearly everything and even chose it for a bonus location. I think I have reviewed nearly everything since I dont see anything anymore in review for the most part and they I think have in total of 500+ portals now so I think they are sustainable and plan to change bonus location in the near future.
The other criteria for not enough country reviewers is still a theory of mine for the most part. We see so many Alaska and Hawaii candidates in the US that I feel like they are prioritized somehow in the system similar to how areas around dense city play areas get prioritized. I don't know how these 2 states get prioritized though I speculate the system serves you the furthest candidates from your geographical country at least in the US situation.
If your own submissions number far and beyond your Upgrades, surely you should do some more reviewing :)
I am aiming to do at least 100 reviews a day. While I'm sure i could do 200 a day, I still have a life on the side.
I have seen my first batch of submissions all be approved or denied within a 14 day period, however with more and more of my subs being in limbo, Its starting to take longer to get them approved, my theory is that your submissions are randomly sent out to reviewers in that location, and the more you have in limbo the longer an agreement takes. And Upgrade however sends out that submissions first. again all just theories based only on my personal experience
Wow DFW was down to days after upgrades first came out after we cleared a lot of the backlog now back to 45+ days. Was 6-9 months last year
In our area the problem is that:
Redacted and prime allow you to have 14 requests each in 14 days.
The agents of level 10 have increased exponentially, unfortunately the agents from level 12 up are almost the same and not all of them do OPR.
When the go community saw excellent results in terms of portal increases, many decided to do level 10, but not 12 to evaluate.
Having a unique map for three games creates this problem.
The only way would be to reduce requests per player or simply increase the level to request.
Or allow L40 Pokemon Trainers to take the OPR test and review nomination if they pass. After all, the problem isn't that there are too many nominations/submissions. The problem is that there are too few active reviewers.
@TheFarix Very true, I was talking about a relationship between applicants and evaluators.
Unfortunately the incentive of the requests in priority has not had the hoped success.
i had a portal answer from three months ago today...was denied...things get frustated sometimes, Niantic has to really already just put more reviewers on (if they plan to continue having free labor hand) or hire especialized people dedicated to that, ive been saying this so much times how can niantic be so happy with this pace, their customers arent happy at all, i wouldnt mind to get a deny if it was faster and answered back what was wrong but ... three months answers with zero reason of why when in my pov is valid...
Yeah... Allow PG reviewers to help PG players. This could be the future Portals...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-7yOR6lqRlt28zPnTbGwoiWutMikvJSz/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jk3A0pF1694uarlHhHCGswf1K9o5ylQt/view?usp=drivesdk
OPR already does a quite good job to get new L12 players into play. If pokemon players review that could be some 'let them review but don't really take the results too serious' state at the start. And give them more weight in OPR after they reach some 50 agreements. This could teach the pokemon guys more details and would benefit OPR in getting more good reviewers.
The examples from above are just easy agreements - 1*, not fulfilling criteria, natural feature. 😀
And yes, there are already fake/nonsense/low-quality/... portals around, reviewed in OPR and maybe even submitted via ingress.
😀
@ditah Yes understood your point...
Sigh... Is either fake portals by agents, or genuine trash from players, or both... 😅
So I use to be for Pogo players getting access to portal reviewing but currently I am not.
Why did I support it initially? Well initially I thought that yes with a large amount of reviewers we would see a massive increase in portal reviews in general and I thought those dedicated enough will in turn start researching and following the OPR Chats to learn on how to be a better reviewer so we would see a long term growth in pogo submissions too.
There were a few reasons why I changed my mind. When I look at it from Niantics point of view is the main reason why I changed my mind, even though there would be a surplus of new reviewers, does Niantic need them? No because those who are really dedicated will transition over to ingress and give the game a try and recruit more folks. Keep in mind Niantic does not have full creative control over pogo/WU, this portal network data is the most important information on how they snagged these deals with TPC and WB, if they make it available to those game players there is a chance they might have to share this information to those companies.
Another similar view to this is that if we now have a playerbase that probably outnumbers the ingress reviewing community from 100 level 40s compared to probably 1 ingress level 12 agent reviewer, then that means the reconfiguring of the number of reviews will need to be revised. Our impact as an Ingress agents reviewing means we have almost no impact on a candidate in this scenario. The worst case scenario for this is a group dedicated to OPR from Pogo that specifically aims to approve all the portals for candidates they submit since they can have group chats to essentially mass approve candidates. What if someone decides to use bots to do this since there are a lot of bots or multiaccounting folks from pogo? Niantic might literally have to reconfigure the entire OPR network.
If I was in Niantics position, I wouldn't want to open this can of worms in a long time. For now testing the pogo submissions is just to alleviate some of the tension between the pogo players having no influence on pokestops/gyms for the most part. If I had to choose, I would side with Niantic for not adding the capability for pogo players until OPR is fully fleshed out (with an edit rework) and a lot more tweaking and features like Upgrades. In the mean time, more pogo players will also try out Niantics original game since Ingress is still a lot more technically complex than pogo and ingress players will move to pogo too making it a good mix of the communities.
system is broken can't post properly at the moment.
My submissions take around 3-7 days to process and my boosted submissions usually process within 1 day.
You need to review more to get faster turn around on submissions. I reviewed around 1000 portals and that seemed to clear some of the backlog in my area, now as long as I keep on top of it and review 100-200 every couple of months my submissions continue to go through quickly.
I see your point, i reviewed beyond 10.000 submissions though - that surely can't be the problem.
Upgrades are awarded every 100th Agreement. Agreements are roughly 50% of your reviews (usual caveat that everyone's locale is different).. So, if about 200 reviews gives you an upgrade, is it too much to ask players for for 100 reviews per submission? If you have a backlog, surely there should be enough nominations to review.
In my limited experience, when I ask players like this, I find players who complain about waiting time do WAY less than this. Sure, it's all Niantics fault but the only way out is to _review_.
Yeah, I've noticed the same. The amount of nominations has drastically increased thanks to PoGo, but (at least in my region) the number of L12 agents hasn't changed at all. Which is likely why it has slowed down so much.
With the Guardian gone, getting enough medals for L12 seems rather tough for rural players. There's at least a couple in my region who have that problem: enough AP to level, but no medals for it.