getting nominations through has been so tedious lately. I’ve had 4 or 5 denied because of orientation. My photo isn’t the right angle and thus, rejected.
Was kinda bummed by the one below. 12 hours from home in a small rural town in Montana that I’ll never visit again. Rejected, lol
Had this test been introduced in 2018, the current situation would be different, but that is already not an issue now.
Many trainers are now nominating from Pokémon GO, where they can hide their names, instead of Ingress, where names are forced.
This is because it is more convenient for them.
Also, given that many PoGo trainers are alt, they can abuse them without hurting their own main account.
Now all we need to do is collude and review the region, including alt accounts, and we will have a city full of abusive wayspots.
Yes, you have seen many of them.
You have seen the abuse in Spain and other countries.
And in the past Giffard and Casey cared about such abuse and low quality nominations and reviews.
But now Tintino does not care about anything.
He just wants to be able to do lots of wayspots regardless of quality, and also to reduce the backlog of developed countries.
The Middle East, Africa, Southeast Asia, etc., which essentially need to be increased and invested in, are not being looked at.
And there will only be deserts there forever.
So even if Ingress agents planted diamond worth of wayspot seeds between 2012 and 2016 it will remain buried.
Unfortunately with the current review system it will not grow forever.
The question now is how to sort out the low-level wayspots that do not meet the approval criteria but also do not meet the removal criteria.
Thus, the Wayfarer team and ambassadors' recognition is already old.
Therefore, I would not say that this change is already an important topic to the extent that it is better than not doing it.
At any rate, most Ingress agents would like to see the garbage of the developed countries thrown together and then stop the two-way synchronization with Wayfarer.
As an aside, you might want to take a look at the German Ambassador's profile from the Agent Profile deeplink. (You can probably guess who he is right away if I just say this).
Then, based on your experience playing Ingress, think about what you could accomplish.
Consider that you can complete 100 mission games with only about 70M trekkers recorded per portal and only about 2800 UPVs.
In other words, the current Wayfarer Ambassadors are such a level group.
And the current manager does not have the ability to see past the allegations.
So it will not get better.
Because they're turning a blind eye to the problems that need the most work.
Unfortunately, the level of the questions is much different.
In the past, the OPR test included some nasty questions and was rather difficult.
So we saw a certain number of cases where people who were trapped by the nasty questions failed.
I was fortunate to pass the test the first time, though.
I don't know about the 2023 test, but the Wayfarer test I saw around 2020 is easier to the level of passing "if you can read the words" and the correct answers are written in the question text.
So it is a wonder that anyone would fail that test even once.
And you can take an unlimited number of tests.
There is no reason not to take it.
That's why we are in the mess we are in today.
Only PoGo Trainers are happy with the garbage.
For example, there is a question that asks about eligibility for parks, and the answer choice is at a level where there is only one word "park" in the text.
And the only option written about the park is correct.
It is as if the test asked you to spell "eraser" and you have an eraser in front of you with the word "plastic eraser" on it.LOL !
First, let's raise the level of this test to the OPR level.
Then, we should try to extract from 100 questions per question, so that it is not possible to cheat on Youtube, Reddit, etc.
You seem generally unhappy that anyone other than Ingress Agents have access to Wayfarer so I’m not sure that you have any unbiased solutions unfortunately. Happy to hear if you do though.
Opr test was easy as pie. My thoughts are that the Wayfarer is a complex task. The test did not match at all with the difficulty of decision making on POI nominations.
Ingress folk and pogo folk have the same abilities to review. [oh wait for it here's a generalisation].... just ingress folk had more discussions about it within our communities .... my observations are based on my own myopic perspective ... Pogo chats seemed to be focused on friendships and raid coordination with a tiny subfolder for waypoint discussion. Ingress wayspot stuff would be talked in the general chat amongst the op coordination and gossip. There is informal upskilling in ingress about what is going on with wayfarer.
My solution to wayfarer:
There should be tiers of leveling up. Once you understand the stock standard pois ... you can move on to the more considered ones ... the ones outside of the normal standard gazebos, park signs, commission public street artworks, info signs. etc. I think if it was a staged thing like so many agreements and you can level up ie you can pick a next tutorial and category. Like a skill tree thingy .... It would inspire confidence and competence by reviewers in a fun way. Nominations would be easier too. Because you could aim for really obvious POI.
Recently on a walk I took photos for a
a) Public Pontoon (outdoor recreation),
b) Marine Map,(Info sign)
c) A trail marker,( Trail marker)
d) GPS coordination check point for checking your navigation gear (ergh other(?) - this doesn't have a category but probably should be a POI - coords for goodness sake)
e) footbridge - an expensive federally funded footbridge designed to link ferry service with large carpark and so reducing the cars parked on the foreshore.
f) a Information sign about how the police boats were named after police officers killed while on duty.
Which was information sign that was highly culturally significant. I am just tired of nominating anything that would not be an instant yes with no extra thinking for reviewers. This is a beautiful part of the world. I would have added more stops here .... just wayfarer is too variable in it's decision making. Some people might not understand a public pontoon is an outdoor recreation poi if they are not familiar with the fact that recreational boating uses public pontoons and boat ramps.
My last informational signs have all been rejected because the photo was taken from an angle and not straight on. This is why I won’t even bother with the test or nominating anything moving forward.
My informational sign in a small down in Montana was rejected, but I see a 7-11 store was recently approved. The system is such a joke. My time is more valuable than that…
You're getting disagreed for whatever reason, but here we are.
You can see my sign that was rejected earlier in this thread. Yet, some y’all wonder why folks like me are fed up with the shenanigans and stuff like the link below…
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Great move!
Wayfarer was full of rubbish nominations 🤮
Not a second too early.
getting nominations through has been so tedious lately. I’ve had 4 or 5 denied because of orientation. My photo isn’t the right angle and thus, rejected.
Was kinda bummed by the one below. 12 hours from home in a small rural town in Montana that I’ll never visit again. Rejected, lol
5 years late.
Better to have this now
Had this test been introduced in 2018, the current situation would be different, but that is already not an issue now.
Many trainers are now nominating from Pokémon GO, where they can hide their names, instead of Ingress, where names are forced.
This is because it is more convenient for them.
Also, given that many PoGo trainers are alt, they can abuse them without hurting their own main account.
Now all we need to do is collude and review the region, including alt accounts, and we will have a city full of abusive wayspots.
Yes, you have seen many of them.
You have seen the abuse in Spain and other countries.
And in the past Giffard and Casey cared about such abuse and low quality nominations and reviews.
But now Tintino does not care about anything.
He just wants to be able to do lots of wayspots regardless of quality, and also to reduce the backlog of developed countries.
The Middle East, Africa, Southeast Asia, etc., which essentially need to be increased and invested in, are not being looked at.
And there will only be deserts there forever.
So even if Ingress agents planted diamond worth of wayspot seeds between 2012 and 2016 it will remain buried.
Unfortunately with the current review system it will not grow forever.
The question now is how to sort out the low-level wayspots that do not meet the approval criteria but also do not meet the removal criteria.
Thus, the Wayfarer team and ambassadors' recognition is already old.
Therefore, I would not say that this change is already an important topic to the extent that it is better than not doing it.
At any rate, most Ingress agents would like to see the garbage of the developed countries thrown together and then stop the two-way synchronization with Wayfarer.
As an aside, you might want to take a look at the German Ambassador's profile from the Agent Profile deeplink. (You can probably guess who he is right away if I just say this).
Then, based on your experience playing Ingress, think about what you could accomplish.
Consider that you can complete 100 mission games with only about 70M trekkers recorded per portal and only about 2800 UPVs.
In other words, the current Wayfarer Ambassadors are such a level group.
And the current manager does not have the ability to see past the allegations.
So it will not get better.
Because they're turning a blind eye to the problems that need the most work.
Requirement is now in effect, if you click on Nominations and have not taken the test you get this screen.
I don't remember taking a Wayfarer test, the only one I took was OPR back in the beta. I'm so confused at the wording.
I don't get any message about having to take this over again.
It’s the same test. It’s been updated but if you passed a test in OPR to review, I don’t think you need to pass a new test by the looks of it.
In Pokémon GO, those at the right level need to pass the test before they can submit or review.
In Ingress, there was no test for submitting. Only for reviewing.
As these are the same test, no point making those who passed during OPR retake it for submissions. It will apply more to new Agents who hit level 10
Just have to make sure you keep up to date with criteria.
Unfortunately, the level of the questions is much different.
In the past, the OPR test included some nasty questions and was rather difficult.
So we saw a certain number of cases where people who were trapped by the nasty questions failed.
I was fortunate to pass the test the first time, though.
I don't know about the 2023 test, but the Wayfarer test I saw around 2020 is easier to the level of passing "if you can read the words" and the correct answers are written in the question text.
So it is a wonder that anyone would fail that test even once.
And you can take an unlimited number of tests.
There is no reason not to take it.
That's why we are in the mess we are in today.
Only PoGo Trainers are happy with the garbage.
For example, there is a question that asks about eligibility for parks, and the answer choice is at a level where there is only one word "park" in the text.
And the only option written about the park is correct.
It is as if the test asked you to spell "eraser" and you have an eraser in front of you with the word "plastic eraser" on it.LOL !
First, let's raise the level of this test to the OPR level.
Then, we should try to extract from 100 questions per question, so that it is not possible to cheat on Youtube, Reddit, etc.
Well, it's already too late.
You seem generally unhappy that anyone other than Ingress Agents have access to Wayfarer so I’m not sure that you have any unbiased solutions unfortunately. Happy to hear if you do though.
Players who do not create garbage and false wayspots are welcome.
That would be the same for any Ingress agent.
But garbage and lies are not.
Most Ingress Agents will be happy to help clean up trash.
But if you are going to throw out trash, I say cut your ties with Wayfarer.
If you had cut them off, there would have been no disturbance in Navarro.
Opr test was easy as pie. My thoughts are that the Wayfarer is a complex task. The test did not match at all with the difficulty of decision making on POI nominations.
Ingress folk and pogo folk have the same abilities to review. [oh wait for it here's a generalisation].... just ingress folk had more discussions about it within our communities .... my observations are based on my own myopic perspective ... Pogo chats seemed to be focused on friendships and raid coordination with a tiny subfolder for waypoint discussion. Ingress wayspot stuff would be talked in the general chat amongst the op coordination and gossip. There is informal upskilling in ingress about what is going on with wayfarer.
My solution to wayfarer:
There should be tiers of leveling up. Once you understand the stock standard pois ... you can move on to the more considered ones ... the ones outside of the normal standard gazebos, park signs, commission public street artworks, info signs. etc. I think if it was a staged thing like so many agreements and you can level up ie you can pick a next tutorial and category. Like a skill tree thingy .... It would inspire confidence and competence by reviewers in a fun way. Nominations would be easier too. Because you could aim for really obvious POI.
Recently on a walk I took photos for a
a) Public Pontoon (outdoor recreation),
b) Marine Map,(Info sign)
c) A trail marker,( Trail marker)
d) GPS coordination check point for checking your navigation gear (ergh other(?) - this doesn't have a category but probably should be a POI - coords for goodness sake)
e) footbridge - an expensive federally funded footbridge designed to link ferry service with large carpark and so reducing the cars parked on the foreshore.
f) a Information sign about how the police boats were named after police officers killed while on duty.
I decided to nominate only F) https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=-27.618749,153.313534&z=17&pll=-27.619216,153.30973
Which was information sign that was highly culturally significant. I am just tired of nominating anything that would not be an instant yes with no extra thinking for reviewers. This is a beautiful part of the world. I would have added more stops here .... just wayfarer is too variable in it's decision making. Some people might not understand a public pontoon is an outdoor recreation poi if they are not familiar with the fact that recreational boating uses public pontoons and boat ramps.
Those are my unsolicited thoughts.
My last informational signs have all been rejected because the photo was taken from an angle and not straight on. This is why I won’t even bother with the test or nominating anything moving forward.
My informational sign in a small down in Montana was rejected, but I see a 7-11 store was recently approved. The system is such a joke. My time is more valuable than that…
pogo players gets anything approved these days
You're getting disagreed for whatever reason, but here we are.
You can see my sign that was rejected earlier in this thread. Yet, some y’all wonder why folks like me are fed up with the shenanigans and stuff like the link below…
https://link.ingress.com/?link=https%3a%2f%2fintel.ingress.com%2fportal%2f862ae3c162693162983a94e38ee005ee.16&apn=com.nianticproject.ingress&isi=576505181&ibi=com.google.ingress&ifl=https%3a%2f%2fapps.apple.com%2fapp%2fingress%2fid576505181&ofl=https%3a%2f%2fintel.ingress.com%2fintel%3fpll%3d47.65068%2c-122.69445
guess some cant handle the truth if we go back to how it was before pogo players was allowed into the network