Retiring Quantum Capsule [Discussion]

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  • jsylvisjsylvis ✭✭✭✭

    The assumption of "kinetic capsule" was yours, and it was a poor one. I provided reference to the change I'd referred to - the convenient cash-grab of a subpar alternative in the store. I'm not sure how you managed to consider the changes at the time and jump to one that didn't happen at the time, but hey, add "poor reasoning" to "short memory".

  • jsylvisjsylvis ✭✭✭✭

    I'm not sure how the removal of an item people rely on for trickles of gear is somehow intended to get people moving again.

    You are aware quantum capsules produce trickles of rare-and-under gear, right?

  • jsylvisjsylvis ✭✭✭✭

    I'm sure those playing in areas with a fraction of the former activity will be thrilled to hear their slow-but-reliable source of some basic L8 gear is gone and, instead, they can hard-farm a P5 or P6 for less.

  • GrogyanGrogyan ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have 53 Quantums, 43 of which are empty


    So for myself, it will be nice to regain that inventory space when they turn into Kinetics

  • Suggestions for rare kinetic capsule recipes. It would be really nice to have some common mod -> rare mod programs, I have too many of the common items from hacking:

    1. 10 Common shield -> 5 Rare shield

    2. 6 Common heat sink -> 2 rare heat sink

    3. 6 Common multi-hack -> 2 rare multi-hack

  • DSktrDSktr ✭✭✭✭

    Anyway i think this move is right. But late.

  • DSktrDSktr ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2023

    Really,what are votes against?

    No L8 reso? Correct me if i wrong there is a recipe(ooh it needs to move).

    No key? Go and hack(ooh it even more needs to move). Or try to implement smth with scheme U got now.

    No L8 xmp? Well L6+ is enough,trust me. Just remember its a strategy not cargressing pew pew action. Or i should borrow some?

    Anything about cheaters? Cmon,this wont stop cheaters. It will provoke them.

    No mods to engineer smth? Itoen+ is intended exactly for that case;)

    Maybe duplicating media is the rare case. But what had U expected from Niantic? This,just as linking underfield,is already considered there,we can continue arguing or think what benefit we can have from this.

  • I'm OK with this IF they allow a program for the kinetics that will duplicate keys with walking/running activity.

    This will still allow rural players to maintain fields including distant anchors without requiring exorbitant gas expenditures while also accomplishing the aim of encouraging physical activity.

    Eliminating quantums and not providing another method of key duplication works against this by weighting the game toward players in portal-dense urban areas and toward players who can afford to keep driving 50 miles a day to farm keys from distant portals.

  • MirthmakerMirthmaker ✭✭✭✭

    You don't have that PITA portal than when linked to makes the other side fret in anguish.

  • MirthmakerMirthmaker ✭✭✭✭

    Do you have access to a PITA portal that takes forever to get to and by throwing one single link to it puts a box on hold?

  • joecainjoecain ✭✭✭✭✭

    niantic has already horribly nerfed and de-weaponized 'control' fields by allowing under-field linking.

  • The day your quantum's get pulled from your inventory if you bought a code at an anomaly or any other legit purchase make sure you dispute it, as you paid for the gear they are stealing from you.

  • jsylvisjsylvis ✭✭✭✭

    From a basic reasoning standpoint, that Quantum Capsules are incapable of producing enough gear to have a significant negative impact on the game, yet produce enough to have a significant positive impact for those players without access to dense farms and/or L8 farms.

    You seem to be entirely neglecting ultra strikes, rare mods, and memento keys while disregarding keys.

    Regarding your "ooh needs to move" tripe - they could simply give Quantums a distance mechanic. They chose not to.

    What we expected from Niantic is a less braindead move than they've historically made - clearly, we expected too much.

  • VenomousToadVenomousToad ✭✭✭✭✭

    I fully expected Niantic to eliminate quantums. The writing has been on the wall and they even finally said it. Watch how many players finally care about farming again. And watch players burn through thousands of bursters to use them up. I'm anticipating seeing a change in people's gameplay once they are eliminated. It's going to be interesting.

  • GrogyanGrogyan ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Quantum Capsules were coded long before Prime, the code simply couldn't be managed by distance. Because Adventure Sync wasn't a thing back then. Pogo Didn't exist either.


    As for resonators and Xmps, there is already another thread going for suggestions for programs for the Kinetic Capsule to generate more.

    Brian Rose definitely is aware the issues facing rural players, and suburban players with limited portals.

  • tp235tp235 ✭✭✭✭

    The basis of this decision would be to go back to the basics of Ingress (going to portals), although economic reasons (reduction in server computation) are also included.

    This will result in a gradual reduction in warehouse inventory.

    People will move out to get items.

    Players who act inappropriately in this situation should be allowed to leave. (I expect this from Niantic)

    So I see this as basically a step in the right direction and some expansion of the kinetic program will be enough.


    By the way, I have been in a place where there are no other agents within 50km around me for most of my Ingress career and I don't see this decision as a problem at all.

    If I want a burster, I just go to a portal 70km or 150km away.

    And the Very Rare Mod can be hacked at the P1 portal.

    It is much easier now than before because of the Itoen mod.


    Also, the Ultra Strike that has been requested would undoubtedly be nice to have.

    However, I have heard that the Ultra Strike was originally a sponsored item limited to Motorola smartphones, so it could be the same as not being able to create the Aegis Shield, which was originally an Axa sponsored item.

    We hope it will be like the Hypercube (originally the Lawson & Circle K Power Cube).

  • As a media collector, no more quantums means no more media duplication.

  • I need quantum capsule to grow xmp, since we don't have any level 8 portals. Taking them away means, that i can play much lesser then before. There are not enough player to create farms as during redacted times. I also grow some rare items for Kinect capsules. I don't have that many rare items as i have Kinect capsules...

    There should be also a way to drop Kinect capsules, i had a friend visiting me over Xmas and my friend works liked to have more Kinect and i would have loved to pass nice, since i have plenty...

  • mortuusmortuus ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2023

    if they give programs to dupe keys its a good compromise imo so if u can throw same keys in all kinetics thats not too bad

  • What is every app and game do every month?

    Add new features!

    What is ingress doing?

    Remove existing features!

    The way you manage this app is seriously wrong

    Maybe put a limit per account of current duplicating capsules, maybe 5, 7, 8?

    Make them only hackable and non transferable?

    Please don't Keep nerfing and killing ingress, we love to play this game everyday. ❤️

  • Leave Quantums alone!

    Made XMP very rare item so it won't duplicate or limit Qcaps keys+media duplicating only.

    I keep unique items in Qcaps (like vrla) to be sure i won't delete them. I'm multiplicating media for collectible reasons. You can also introduce tick mechanism per some amount of km walked instead of time. This will block illegal usage (multiaccounts) in some way. You can even disable multiplicating items that are gamechanging like you did with VR in past - just leave Qc and let us mutliplicate at least media.

  • How about just adding a kinetic component to the Quantum Capsule? Call it the Kinetic Quantum if you want to.

    Place 9 common items in it (such as XMP8 or R8), walk 8km, then get 10 items back.

  • GrogyanGrogyan ✭✭✭✭✭

    The quantum Capsule operates differently, and was coded into the game long ago, before Prime, and before pogo existed. It wasn't possible to add a reliable distance metric, hence it stayed as compound interest.


    There is no point adding a distance metric to them now, because then it is just a Kinetic Capsule.

  • Agreed - this is a good compromise. And because they'll likely add kinetics to the cash shop, this will benefit Niantic in the long run via micro transactions.

    I'd actually rather buy kinetics to dupe specific keys as part of my walking routine rather than wait for a quantum capsule to reproduce.

  • EngrishEngrish ✭✭✭✭

    Hopefully NIA releases recipes for all items and modifies the current recipes to change depending on the rarity of items used when this change happens. My reasoning is I've noticed R-VR gear items have been less lately. I use the MFUGs to dupe rare to help make VR items with the kinetics.


    Another thing, I can't stress this enough that 40 L7 resos should not be the same as 40 L4 resos when trying to craft 8 L8 resos. Equivalent exchange! Crafting items when using higher XM items then the base should require less resources to create the same item.

  • EngrishEngrish ✭✭✭✭

    The whole promoting activity is BS, if that's the case NIA needs to remove frackers, heatsinks and glyphing. All that makes agents sit at portals instead of moving. Then make walk hacking more beneficial.

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