I hope they get rid of the idea of key to key dupes. That should be left in the past of something they should never have done in the first place.
If they do go down that path to implement a key to key dupe then the distance required to complete should be variable based on the actual distance required to go there to hack the key.
Removing the QC totally is not the right thing to do imo, but something does need doing to address the imbalance.
Too many quantums were given out during Covid to give agents a chance to breed items if they were locked down.
Now too many agents have far too many quantums and @NianticBrian said its causing computational issues.
How about the supposed benefits for recursed agents that never surfaced. Why not make a quantum capsule be rewarded as part of the lvl16 load out kit. Everytime you recurse and get back to level 16 you get another QC. Could even limit it to a maximum of 10 QC per agent ? Make them so you cannot drop them. It gives an incentive to get up the levels ?
The Pay to Win argument, too many features are being copied from pogo. KC are basically egg incubators, now you are going to sell them in the store as well. Nia, you are making the game too easy, being able to buy everything gives no challenge. Making it easy to grind through the levels with no real incentive makes the game become boring. So you may be earning money but you'll lose in the long run due to a decreasing player base.
Your community have spoken so many times on the easy ways to make money and feed the hunger of agents with badges and swag. Remove the obvious p2w items from the store. It'll make agents work a little harder to get kit, reward lvl16 / recursed agents with a QC. Make the QC a special, very rare item again. Rather than something we all have too much of.
It's like they are actively trying to find ways to make people want to stop playing ingress. most anyone in my faction has already quit on this side of town and now you want to make a change that will take care of the few left. Guess prime didn't pay enough to keep the servers running, sad day.
“Niantic, why not develop the unique global features of Ingress instead of dismantling it into a street ap/badge hunt game?“
I seriously think you have hit the nail on the head with this comment. Niantic does not want Team work and group activities, they are pushing the game towards Pokemon Go, just collect the AP and Badges.
Walk aimlessly around in circles until your Kinectic capsule hatches to get more useless items, because the key program won’t be coming soon.
The reality will be that the player base will decrease and the game will retire. We are already in an all low number of active users. With your logic, there will be noone left.
1) The number of active agents vastly decreased across all communities. Chances are people can't create farms anymore in some areas as you already seen from the comments. There are people being on their own in areas. How are they supposed to get gear?
2) Again the priority of the game should be to attract players. But even if we talk about current situation a) The number of portals in cities increased extensively with the ability of Pogo submitting portals. You need 10x the items to link/field the area. However, niantic has not balance their input/items according to the new reality.
3) You want portals without any defense, so it's farmville. Check the 2) comment about balance to enable people to have the resources to actually man the portals they capture. It's okay to make changes after you have though of the consequences and balance things out.
4+6) I ve been playing ingress from 2014 (I think). Niantic hasn't figured it out yet. That's why the population of the game decreased.
There are too many things wrong or that they aren't supposed to be (Like limitation of portals) but Niantic doesn't have the resources nor the brain to fix them. As a result the game will die out.
My only complaint on this is that QCaps are a big reason why my wife and I can keep a farm recharged. We have a number of L8 cubes that reproduce and feed our recharging. I don't mind the change if there's a quantum cap that makes popping out L8 cubes easy. We both walk plenty enough, but this will create more work on us.
Additionally, my wife really only cares about recharging and recharge rooms, and this might push her to not care about the game as a whole.
Of all the things niantic could do with ingress...
This is literally the worst possible option, short of shutting the game down. Better hope you have 7 friendly agents at your doorstep, or 7 alts, because if you don't, say goodbye to your chances of keeping level 7-8 gear in any substantial amount. Say goodbye to BAF's since the game never gives you keys when you want them in large quantities, and those are hard enough to build already...
Kinetics are nice for upgrading lower rarity gear, but they are woefully inadequate to replace quantums. Unless kinetics reach a point where you can reliably maintain a supply of high level gear without high level portals, and farm keys, they will just not be enough.
Niantic...you guys need a serious reality check. Either revert this decision, adjust quantums to require some walking for the duplication to kick in, or don't be surprised at the endless waves of complaints.
Eliminating the Quantum Capsules ALSO neuters the Kinetic Capsules. As a NON city player I reply on Quantum capsules to duplicate B8 and R8. The loss of the ability to duplicate will make me no longer need CORE. Since I keep about 600 inventory in QC at any given time, Rare HS & LA's to use in Kinetic Caps, and the rest B and R 8's
Remove Key duplicating if this is purely about trying to manage keys ( which is bull anyway, people will spoof &/or create backpack accounts to get enough keys). This feels like an attempt to drive revenues by pushing people to buy KC's And while I am a low spender, (CORE and maybe $50/yr CMU) This move makes me want to cancel CORE.
I would really love to see the user surveys and the regional demographics that said this was a good move and that I am in the minority being upset.
QC's allow rural players to maintain inventory levels of quality gear ( B8's and R8's) so they can come and join urban events and be active when they travel.
KC's basically make it so mobility challenged people are excluded from more aspects of the game that QC's aided with.
Another bad move by Niantic for those of us who have been playing for years.
I can't walk between portals, I have to use a vehicle. Kinect capsules are only three uses, my Quantum capsules are good forever, and they don't ask me for items I don't have to duplicate something. What will I do after using them three times? How will I duplicate keys or US? Or some mod for farm.
Yeah, my wife seems to be similar to yours, recharging was her favorite part of the game, was as in today this news seems to have been that proverbial straw, she just uninstalled.
@NianticBrian@NianticThia hope you do consider the time to create a Linking blacklist for all those Restricted access portals ie Military, Mines, Closed off renote Structures etc
You're moving the goalposts. Those were cosmetic changes removing advertisements, nothing to do with actual game functions beyond AXA shields and MUFG getting a nerf which may or may not been justified, not turned into a completely different item already in the game.
I am in the same boat. K-cap just makes hypers while Q-caps make L8 gear so I can keep playing. Since all of the agents on both sides where I am have left the game, it means at least 2-hour drive east or west if I want to get gear.
bad choice if this becomes reality, many use the quantum to generate bombs and L8 resonators for having few agents close to a more isolated agent, not to mention the important keys to make mega fields, this way it will make that more agents will be retired and if they are retired, they will hardly want to subscribe and buy items in the store, that is, less money for Niantic to profit.
unfortunately Niantic is not focusing on making life difficult for flyers, that is the true cancer of the game, that's why I haven't been subscribing since August 2022, look at that I've been playing since 2016.
but it goes against the grain of what the game proposes, for agents to meet to exchange XMPs and resonators, in addition to improving the portals, as it is enough to capture and leave L5 and keep making glyphs and then mix in this capsule to generate XMP and resonator L8.
Delete the qcap, and machina portals, it seems that niantic wants to destroy the gameplay of those who make big fields, bad idea. Anyway, it's about time this game is over
I have the impression that it seems that Niantic wants all agents to be flying and have multiple accounts, because they do not have restrictions on going to difficult portals to get portal keys through glyphs.
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You mean like the way they replaced MUFG caps with Quantum Caps and AXA shields with Aegis shields previously
I hope they get rid of the idea of key to key dupes. That should be left in the past of something they should never have done in the first place.
If they do go down that path to implement a key to key dupe then the distance required to complete should be variable based on the actual distance required to go there to hack the key.
Removing the QC totally is not the right thing to do imo, but something does need doing to address the imbalance.
Too many quantums were given out during Covid to give agents a chance to breed items if they were locked down.
Now too many agents have far too many quantums and @NianticBrian said its causing computational issues.
How about the supposed benefits for recursed agents that never surfaced. Why not make a quantum capsule be rewarded as part of the lvl16 load out kit. Everytime you recurse and get back to level 16 you get another QC. Could even limit it to a maximum of 10 QC per agent ? Make them so you cannot drop them. It gives an incentive to get up the levels ?
The Pay to Win argument, too many features are being copied from pogo. KC are basically egg incubators, now you are going to sell them in the store as well. Nia, you are making the game too easy, being able to buy everything gives no challenge. Making it easy to grind through the levels with no real incentive makes the game become boring. So you may be earning money but you'll lose in the long run due to a decreasing player base.
Your community have spoken so many times on the easy ways to make money and feed the hunger of agents with badges and swag. Remove the obvious p2w items from the store. It'll make agents work a little harder to get kit, reward lvl16 / recursed agents with a QC. Make the QC a special, very rare item again. Rather than something we all have too much of.
How would it? People can still hack keys and more people can hack more keys.
It's like they are actively trying to find ways to make people want to stop playing ingress. most anyone in my faction has already quit on this side of town and now you want to make a change that will take care of the few left. Guess prime didn't pay enough to keep the servers running, sad day.
I am very disappointed about the substitution of Quantum capsules.
NIA should add more mechanics to the game, not removing them.
I hope they put fairly easy recipes for creating XMPs, I actually have some Quantum filled with them.
The reason behind this was mainly about lag. I read some time ago the use of QC to duplicate keys were a important part of the game lag.
I guess if after removing the QC the lag is still there. or the real cause is running Ingress on budget servers.
“Niantic, why not develop the unique global features of Ingress instead of dismantling it into a street ap/badge hunt game?“
I seriously think you have hit the nail on the head with this comment. Niantic does not want Team work and group activities, they are pushing the game towards Pokemon Go, just collect the AP and Badges.
Walk aimlessly around in circles until your Kinectic capsule hatches to get more useless items, because the key program won’t be coming soon.
You are living in a Utopia.
The reality will be that the player base will decrease and the game will retire. We are already in an all low number of active users. With your logic, there will be noone left.
1) The number of active agents vastly decreased across all communities. Chances are people can't create farms anymore in some areas as you already seen from the comments. There are people being on their own in areas. How are they supposed to get gear?
2) Again the priority of the game should be to attract players. But even if we talk about current situation a) The number of portals in cities increased extensively with the ability of Pogo submitting portals. You need 10x the items to link/field the area. However, niantic has not balance their input/items according to the new reality.
3) You want portals without any defense, so it's farmville. Check the 2) comment about balance to enable people to have the resources to actually man the portals they capture. It's okay to make changes after you have though of the consequences and balance things out.
4+6) I ve been playing ingress from 2014 (I think). Niantic hasn't figured it out yet. That's why the population of the game decreased.
There are too many things wrong or that they aren't supposed to be (Like limitation of portals) but Niantic doesn't have the resources nor the brain to fix them. As a result the game will die out.
My only complaint on this is that QCaps are a big reason why my wife and I can keep a farm recharged. We have a number of L8 cubes that reproduce and feed our recharging. I don't mind the change if there's a quantum cap that makes popping out L8 cubes easy. We both walk plenty enough, but this will create more work on us.
Additionally, my wife really only cares about recharging and recharge rooms, and this might push her to not care about the game as a whole.
Of all the things niantic could do with ingress...
This is literally the worst possible option, short of shutting the game down. Better hope you have 7 friendly agents at your doorstep, or 7 alts, because if you don't, say goodbye to your chances of keeping level 7-8 gear in any substantial amount. Say goodbye to BAF's since the game never gives you keys when you want them in large quantities, and those are hard enough to build already...
Kinetics are nice for upgrading lower rarity gear, but they are woefully inadequate to replace quantums. Unless kinetics reach a point where you can reliably maintain a supply of high level gear without high level portals, and farm keys, they will just not be enough.
Niantic...you guys need a serious reality check. Either revert this decision, adjust quantums to require some walking for the duplication to kick in, or don't be surprised at the endless waves of complaints.
I haven't seen the new programs for KCVR... but I'm sure I don't need it to assure that this new change sucks.
Please Niantic, don't touch anything.
Eliminating the Quantum Capsules ALSO neuters the Kinetic Capsules. As a NON city player I reply on Quantum capsules to duplicate B8 and R8. The loss of the ability to duplicate will make me no longer need CORE. Since I keep about 600 inventory in QC at any given time, Rare HS & LA's to use in Kinetic Caps, and the rest B and R 8's
Remove Key duplicating if this is purely about trying to manage keys ( which is bull anyway, people will spoof &/or create backpack accounts to get enough keys). This feels like an attempt to drive revenues by pushing people to buy KC's And while I am a low spender, (CORE and maybe $50/yr CMU) This move makes me want to cancel CORE.
I would really love to see the user surveys and the regional demographics that said this was a good move and that I am in the minority being upset.
QC's allow rural players to maintain inventory levels of quality gear ( B8's and R8's) so they can come and join urban events and be active when they travel.
KC's basically make it so mobility challenged people are excluded from more aspects of the game that QC's aided with.
Another bad move by Niantic for those of us who have been playing for years.
I can't walk between portals, I have to use a vehicle. Kinect capsules are only three uses, my Quantum capsules are good forever, and they don't ask me for items I don't have to duplicate something. What will I do after using them three times? How will I duplicate keys or US? Or some mod for farm.
This is such a terrible idea. Niantic on its predatory bs again.
This is not right, I have 27 quantums working at this time, this is a ****!
Guess I'll have to purge alot of keys?
A typical decision made by the powers to be at Nia without consulting anyone.
Thanks,just another day for niantic..
Yeah, my wife seems to be similar to yours, recharging was her favorite part of the game, was as in today this news seems to have been that proverbial straw, she just uninstalled.
@NianticBrian @NianticThia hope you do consider the time to create a Linking blacklist for all those Restricted access portals ie Military, Mines, Closed off renote Structures etc
You're moving the goalposts. Those were cosmetic changes removing advertisements, nothing to do with actual game functions beyond AXA shields and MUFG getting a nerf which may or may not been justified, not turned into a completely different item already in the game.
Please be able to create xmp with rare kinetic capsules.
That was just the sponsorship finishing. The functionality of the items remained the same.
I am in the same boat. K-cap just makes hypers while Q-caps make L8 gear so I can keep playing. Since all of the agents on both sides where I am have left the game, it means at least 2-hour drive east or west if I want to get gear.
Its already hard to get my wife to play at all.. so after these changes take place i wont be surprised if my wife uninstalls the app as well
bad choice if this becomes reality, many use the quantum to generate bombs and L8 resonators for having few agents close to a more isolated agent, not to mention the important keys to make mega fields, this way it will make that more agents will be retired and if they are retired, they will hardly want to subscribe and buy items in the store, that is, less money for Niantic to profit.
unfortunately Niantic is not focusing on making life difficult for flyers, that is the true cancer of the game, that's why I haven't been subscribing since August 2022, look at that I've been playing since 2016.
Kinetic Capsules can already generate L8 Resonators
Adding in a program for XMPs is the sort of feedback Niantic want
This is good feedback
but it goes against the grain of what the game proposes, for agents to meet to exchange XMPs and resonators, in addition to improving the portals, as it is enough to capture and leave L5 and keep making glyphs and then mix in this capsule to generate XMP and resonator L8.
Delete the qcap, and machina portals, it seems that niantic wants to destroy the gameplay of those who make big fields, bad idea. Anyway, it's about time this game is over
I have the impression that it seems that Niantic wants all agents to be flying and have multiple accounts, because they do not have restrictions on going to difficult portals to get portal keys through glyphs.