Yay! Let's burn the earth faster! But hey we'll celebrate earth day and acknowledge the earth is important! Such a pointless thing. It could've been a regular traditional web portal to have this. But no let's jump on this train wreck that's burning faster than Twitter nowadays.
The whole idea of this could have been done without NFTs.
The design of the card packs looks great. If it were a physical item, I’d get it. Pull a super shiny rare Toast card, and trade my Common Heat Sink cards with another player. But I want the actual item if I’m getting that kind of stuff.
At every single one of the SpotX meetings, I believe Agents were always anti-NFT, so I’m not sure who the audience is, or what the end goal is.
This is not what I would have called a great year 10 surprise, or something players wanted.
I'm not going to take it. I don't believe in this kind of stuff. It's environmentally costly and does not introduce anything into the game. It was a nice idea which could have been reworked into something else.
Blockchain technology is one of the biggest threats behind global warming. The process is not efficient enough and consumes a lot of energy. Coal energy factories that were shutdown started to function again because of the demand. After China ban in crypto mining, they went to other countries. I recall Afghanistan, but I might be wrong. The issue is that energy costs contribute to the inflation and they rioting because of it.
In my opinion, there are some technologies whose environmental costs make is so prohibitive that should be banned (blockchain), just like we did with CFCs.
We are in the middle of the Sixth Mass Extinction and there won't more Ingress if we all die.
dont let the many fear campaigns get to you agents..
Bitcoin mining has been used to balance the energy grid and to produce heat for other uses. NFTs are generally on Ethereum and that uses proof of stake now. Blockchain is a great invention that started at the previous financial crisis in 2008 and is very usefull in many aspects. Proving digital ownership and beeing able to transfer ofnership of an unique item is one of them. Much better then a notary for example.
Being said that, I speak about this because I am Biologist and I am deeply concerned about the impact of these technologies on the environment. Let´s not forget that global warming decreases the water available for human consumption. First, it changes the precipitation regime. Second, it speeds up eutrophization process, as it increases the solubility of CO2 and nitrogen based compounds. We must ban these technologies for the future of our children and the ones who are living on the present.
Any idea what the money system costs? heating buildings, transporting coins, bills, gold, people working on computers to try to manage it.. and all that overhead is reduced with blockchain. I can understand that as a biologist you don't understand the benefits of blockchain.
And again, nft is on ethereum. If you only care about electricity use.
A benefit of nft is that it ensures digital ownership of some item. That's proof that cannot be forged. Like a notary office, but instead of trusting a job title and the safe in that offoce, we trust cryptograpic code that cannot be reversed or hacked and it's stored in a chain all over the world.
The whole NFT, and crypto has been widely been misinformed.
The amount of energy that they consume isn't a debate, it is fact.
What is debated is most of the world uses nuclear power to generate that energy.
This has ZERO carbon emissions
In too of that, the race to commercial nuclear fusion is expected around 2035, China will have it's first fusion plant up by 2030. And China is also invested into Thorium for fission plants.
India is as well.
This isn't to say that a lot of carbon emissions for power generation does not come from coal, because, it does, and there is a hell of a lot of coal power plants around
On the Trading Post, we offer certain digital collectibles that are non-fungible tokens (NFTs): unique digital items stored permanently on a blockchain
lol. This claim is snake oil. Digital bits can be copied at will, freely. There is nothing "unique" about digital items, and there's no meaningful ownership without a government and an army that's willing to defend your claim.
Your key can get stolen if you let anyone do so, yes. You should protect it. Other then that there is no way to get hacked or to get your nft back after that. "Not your keys, not your crypto" is a simple rule.
How is being able to counterfeit or copy an argument? Only the one that can prove their rights has an original. And we can do that without a government, that's the beauty of decentralised blockchain. Want to sell an nft to someone in Russia, Korea, or Tibet? No problem, no one can hinder that.
A game or program or shop would implement a check to verify if a user has nft's. So a copy of an nft won't help.
Also Nft isn't going to **** the planet. That's just plain wrong.
Also lets trust article's written by the company doing the polluting?
That said. Some proof methods do use less energy, but the vast majority uses lot's.
As to offsetting by planting trees etc. Currently the amount of global offsetting amounts to so many trees that you would have to use substantial farmland to plant so unless you want to starve the planet as well...
Most coin mining is done in poor countries with subsidised power prices who use... coal.
Google "Kazakhstan crypto" for some shining examples of how this cancer works.
Not what I said, I said most countries use nuclear power, I made it clear that coal by far is the biggest method for power production.
I also put renewables into the nuclear category, wind, hydro, and solar. As these are controlled by our sun, which is nuclear.
As for the Climate, dairy/cattle and agriculture accounts for half of all emissions.
If you want to do your bit, suggest changing your diet, using plant based milks, and reduce your meat intake to 4 portions per week.
EVs are just as polluting from their manufacturing, mining and refining processes, the next gen batteries are expected to be in mass production in 2025 which will reduce emissions in manufacturing.
Folks who want to have debates about banning blockchain, embracing blockchain, or other general matters are encouraged to take them somewhere else - this is an Ingress sub, and no action taken by Niantic will either save or destroy the planet.
We can also mostly step aside the fact that NFTs don't do any of the things that their admirers seem to think that they do. A signature proves nothing, by itself, other than the fact that someone signed something at some point. So let's spare ourselves that nonsense.
The relevant issues here are (1) digital Ingress bio cards, and (2) how they ought to be handled. Personally, I think that having such cards and getting them integrated in some way with the scanner and agents' online presence is great, and have lobbied for it in the past. But as others have noted, there's no need to make this more complex than it needs to be (and certainly no reason to use NFTs, whether you love them or loathe them). Just let people upload their images to a site. If you want to so something fancy, let people digitally sign them using conventional methods. Maybe make having your bio card associated with your scanner be a benefit of C.O.R.E. Start with something limited, simple, and approachable, advertise it (something not usually associated with Niantic), and see how the community uses it. Improve from there. But for love of ADA, I hope they don't double down on some technology that will make me have to listen to a bunch of people screaming at each other about whether it will save or destroy humanity. (That is, after all, what XM is for.)
One of the things people outside of Ingress are interested in is trading physical and digital Basketball/baseball cards.
As Niantic rolls out more, it is evident to me that they plan to release digital trading cards across all their games, Pokémon, NBA All world, Peridot, and more.
While we (western players) aren't always keen on these, I do believe that in Japan, they are going to be super popular.
I've traded a few, to try this system out. And although I still don't like it, trying it out and providing feedback and critiques is important. You can do that via their Campfire group
NFTs use all this as well ^ Plus generation costs. Instead of moving wads of cash around though you are generating electronic e-wallets etc, which have to be manufactured and moved. Less, sure. (I believe all the kool kidz have one). But the offices etc still exist which need heating etc or do all the blockchain companies run out of peoples bedrooms?
So you think this does more damage to the environment than printing out a bunch of biocards and handing them out physically? I find that hard to believe. Or the amount of driving it takes to play ingress? I just don't buy it. Especially an etherium based NFT.
Adding a print run to an exisitng print setup is negligible. Shipping - mail flows anyway between countries, (in fact parcel post is at all time records. Driving for Ingress? I offset that with terrapass payments. (In fact, double my calculated usage).
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Yay! Let's burn the earth faster! But hey we'll celebrate earth day and acknowledge the earth is important! Such a pointless thing. It could've been a regular traditional web portal to have this. But no let's jump on this train wreck that's burning faster than Twitter nowadays.
The new Trading Post site for making and trading cards is fun honestly, but it all feels a bit tainted by being linked to NFTs.
Like most people I've seen discuss it ask, what does using the blockchain bring that couldn't have been accomplished without it?
The whole idea of this could have been done without NFTs.
The design of the card packs looks great. If it were a physical item, I’d get it. Pull a super shiny rare Toast card, and trade my Common Heat Sink cards with another player. But I want the actual item if I’m getting that kind of stuff.
At every single one of the SpotX meetings, I believe Agents were always anti-NFT, so I’m not sure who the audience is, or what the end goal is.
This is not what I would have called a great year 10 surprise, or something players wanted.
I'm not going to take it. I don't believe in this kind of stuff. It's environmentally costly and does not introduce anything into the game. It was a nice idea which could have been reworked into something else.
Blockchain technology is one of the biggest threats behind global warming. The process is not efficient enough and consumes a lot of energy. Coal energy factories that were shutdown started to function again because of the demand. After China ban in crypto mining, they went to other countries. I recall Afghanistan, but I might be wrong. The issue is that energy costs contribute to the inflation and they rioting because of it.
In my opinion, there are some technologies whose environmental costs make is so prohibitive that should be banned (blockchain), just like we did with CFCs.
We are in the middle of the Sixth Mass Extinction and there won't more Ingress if we all die.
dont let the many fear campaigns get to you agents..
Bitcoin mining has been used to balance the energy grid and to produce heat for other uses. NFTs are generally on Ethereum and that uses proof of stake now. Blockchain is a great invention that started at the previous financial crisis in 2008 and is very usefull in many aspects. Proving digital ownership and beeing able to transfer ofnership of an unique item is one of them. Much better then a notary for example.
What’s the benefit to this being NFTs rather than anything else then?
It's not fear, it's scientific evidence. You can look up in scientific journals like Nature:
Being said that, I speak about this because I am Biologist and I am deeply concerned about the impact of these technologies on the environment. Let´s not forget that global warming decreases the water available for human consumption. First, it changes the precipitation regime. Second, it speeds up eutrophization process, as it increases the solubility of CO2 and nitrogen based compounds. We must ban these technologies for the future of our children and the ones who are living on the present.
Real physical card packs would be cooler. but NFTs ? please no..
Will never take part in this.
Shame Niantic.
I'll be writing to the UN EP / Playing for The Planet and see if they are aware of Niantics move here.
Any idea what the money system costs? heating buildings, transporting coins, bills, gold, people working on computers to try to manage it.. and all that overhead is reduced with blockchain. I can understand that as a biologist you don't understand the benefits of blockchain.
And again, nft is on ethereum. If you only care about electricity use.
A benefit of nft is that it ensures digital ownership of some item. That's proof that cannot be forged. Like a notary office, but instead of trusting a job title and the safe in that offoce, we trust cryptograpic code that cannot be reversed or hacked and it's stored in a chain all over the world.
The whole NFT, and crypto has been widely been misinformed.
The amount of energy that they consume isn't a debate, it is fact.
What is debated is most of the world uses nuclear power to generate that energy.
This has ZERO carbon emissions
In too of that, the race to commercial nuclear fusion is expected around 2035, China will have it's first fusion plant up by 2030. And China is also invested into Thorium for fission plants.
India is as well.
This isn't to say that a lot of carbon emissions for power generation does not come from coal, because, it does, and there is a hell of a lot of coal power plants around
Cannot be reversed or hacked?
On the Trading Post, we offer certain digital collectibles that are non-fungible tokens (NFTs): unique digital items stored permanently on a blockchain
lol. This claim is snake oil. Digital bits can be copied at will, freely. There is nothing "unique" about digital items, and there's no meaningful ownership without a government and an army that's willing to defend your claim.
Your key can get stolen if you let anyone do so, yes. You should protect it. Other then that there is no way to get hacked or to get your nft back after that. "Not your keys, not your crypto" is a simple rule.
How is being able to counterfeit or copy an argument? Only the one that can prove their rights has an original. And we can do that without a government, that's the beauty of decentralised blockchain. Want to sell an nft to someone in Russia, Korea, or Tibet? No problem, no one can hinder that.
A game or program or shop would implement a check to verify if a user has nft's. So a copy of an nft won't help.
Also Nft isn't going to **** the planet. That's just plain wrong.
Haters gonna hate. Good luck with that. 🎤
Um who told you nuclear generates most of the worlds energy?
You seem remarkably disinformed.
Also lets trust article's written by the company doing the polluting?
That said. Some proof methods do use less energy, but the vast majority uses lot's.
As to offsetting by planting trees etc. Currently the amount of global offsetting amounts to so many trees that you would have to use substantial farmland to plant so unless you want to starve the planet as well...
Most coin mining is done in poor countries with subsidised power prices who use... coal.
Google "Kazakhstan crypto" for some shining examples of how this cancer works.
It's not called a CLIMATE EMERGENCY for nothing.
Not what I said, I said most countries use nuclear power, I made it clear that coal by far is the biggest method for power production.
I also put renewables into the nuclear category, wind, hydro, and solar. As these are controlled by our sun, which is nuclear.
As for the Climate, dairy/cattle and agriculture accounts for half of all emissions.
If you want to do your bit, suggest changing your diet, using plant based milks, and reduce your meat intake to 4 portions per week.
EVs are just as polluting from their manufacturing, mining and refining processes, the next gen batteries are expected to be in mass production in 2025 which will reduce emissions in manufacturing.
Nuclear also produces a lot of CO2 from plant construction, (lots n lots of concrete).
Not to mention mining fuel production, fuel processing, fuel reprocessing, storage for spent fuel (more concrete).
There is zero reason for this to be done on a Blockchain. A traditional database would be faster and better from a customer support perspective too.
I have core. My husband, who only banners with me when we go on holiday, also has core "to support the game" because it means so much to me.
I've disliked a lot of changes, but stuck around. But I am not giving a penny to a Blockchain company.
It will be a sad day when Niantic is mentioned on https://web3isgoinggreat.com/
Much as it pains me to do so, I'm clicking delete on my recursed L9 account now.
Please, tell us all about FTX...
Also, how many crypto coins have failed? How much energy did they use only to fail and hurt the environment?
Checks Google Fuuuu
"As of May 24, 2022, at least 2,421 cryptocurrencies have failed, according to Coinopsy which tracks such failures."
Nasdaq says to think that Ethereum uses about 72 terre-watt hours per year.
Folks who want to have debates about banning blockchain, embracing blockchain, or other general matters are encouraged to take them somewhere else - this is an Ingress sub, and no action taken by Niantic will either save or destroy the planet.
We can also mostly step aside the fact that NFTs don't do any of the things that their admirers seem to think that they do. A signature proves nothing, by itself, other than the fact that someone signed something at some point. So let's spare ourselves that nonsense.
The relevant issues here are (1) digital Ingress bio cards, and (2) how they ought to be handled. Personally, I think that having such cards and getting them integrated in some way with the scanner and agents' online presence is great, and have lobbied for it in the past. But as others have noted, there's no need to make this more complex than it needs to be (and certainly no reason to use NFTs, whether you love them or loathe them). Just let people upload their images to a site. If you want to so something fancy, let people digitally sign them using conventional methods. Maybe make having your bio card associated with your scanner be a benefit of C.O.R.E. Start with something limited, simple, and approachable, advertise it (something not usually associated with Niantic), and see how the community uses it. Improve from there. But for love of ADA, I hope they don't double down on some technology that will make me have to listen to a bunch of people screaming at each other about whether it will save or destroy humanity. (That is, after all, what XM is for.)
While I enjoy reading about the bad side of this.
We have to also step aside for a moment.
One of the things people outside of Ingress are interested in is trading physical and digital Basketball/baseball cards.
As Niantic rolls out more, it is evident to me that they plan to release digital trading cards across all their games, Pokémon, NBA All world, Peridot, and more.
While we (western players) aren't always keen on these, I do believe that in Japan, they are going to be super popular.
I've traded a few, to try this system out. And although I still don't like it, trying it out and providing feedback and critiques is important. You can do that via their Campfire group
NFTs use all this as well ^ Plus generation costs. Instead of moving wads of cash around though you are generating electronic e-wallets etc, which have to be manufactured and moved. Less, sure. (I believe all the kool kidz have one). But the offices etc still exist which need heating etc or do all the blockchain companies run out of peoples bedrooms?
So you think this does more damage to the environment than printing out a bunch of biocards and handing them out physically? I find that hard to believe. Or the amount of driving it takes to play ingress? I just don't buy it. Especially an etherium based NFT.
Yes.
Adding a print run to an exisitng print setup is negligible. Shipping - mail flows anyway between countries, (in fact parcel post is at all time records. Driving for Ingress? I offset that with terrapass payments. (In fact, double my calculated usage).
I mean yeah, a lot of the currencies are just forks of Bitcoin or Ethereum. A lot of them are ignored from their start.