@PkmnTrainerJ , At least she can use her knowledge, experience, and talent for a more noble and meaningful purpose out there. She deserves something better.
What about the people who purchased the BB using existing CMU from CORE, had fee BB from the past or even had BB codes from the packs from Munich? A better way of phrasing this is Niantic may have earned a maximum of $82,000 this month from events.
@gazzas89 I've been a software engineer in the San Francisco bay area since 1995. An entry-level software engineer is going to get a minimum of about $100K base salary, or more at prestigious company. There are also typically bonuses and stock options/grants. A senior engineer is going to do much better than that entry-level person.
Good luck buying a house out here for less than a million dollars.
That would make sense IF those contractors had an exact and fixed task to finish and that's it. Otherwise it's a lot more expensive. Consultants/contractors usually get 1.5/2x or even more exactly for the reason you stated: they have to buy their own insurance and benefits and stuff, so they demand a higher pay than a fixed salary employee.
Some devs who were working on the Transformers game were overseas contractors. Now, the game development has been terminated; it only shows that Niantic doesn't even have enough budget to pay overseas contractors, wherein the labor is cheaper. It does not look good at all...
@Perringaiden Outsourcing also comes with a lot of communication and management issues, and is often slower because of the difficulty of working in wildly mismatched timezones. My team does quite well at working in different regions because we're equally split between California, Japan, and Ireland and we're all employees rather than contractors, but there can still be delays when you're working with someone with someone from another site. Because we're employees we have a depth of experience with the things we work on as well as the broader context of its ecosystem. You don't get that with contractors.
My experienced with outsourced offshoring has never been good.
I spent 6 years working in the US for an Australian team liasing with US/Canadian/UK colleagues. But contractors without oversight are a different story.
also i doubt transformers would be the next big game niantic are looking for after pogo, nba all stars also im skeptic if that will work.. anything not pogo in the name and it doesnt seem to work.. catan on the other hand looked like the most interestin game so far with the season thingy..
I like some of the things Catan did. If a board games company like Bezier or Facade Games decided that they wanted to do a collaboration with Niantic they could make something really fun.
Even something like Ticket to Ride AR would he great.
It seems that Niantic cannot also develop a new game that can inspire interest among fickle gamers. Lack of creativity or stuck in the PoGo genre? Btw, the interest in PoGo is starting to wane and it might take the same path as Ingress Prime.
because pogo came out of nowhere and became a legendary game by now, its very hard even for niantic replicate that in a new game or whatever.... they failed twice now with catan and transformers... even microsoft failed with minecraft..
Because like Pokemon go, they didn't incorporate the faction vs faction aspect.
It was just a gotta collect them all game and not much else. And like any other digital game where collecting is involved, when the game goes, so does your collection.
Ingress Missions are a collection sub-game too, and one day, they too will be gone. But hopefully not for several more years.
@Grogyan The main difference with Ingress missions is that they're not central to the gameplay... you could play Ingress perfectly well without ever doing even one mission. Also, once you do a mission it's just a shiny on your profile and has no use in gameplay, unlike a Pokemon that you can evolve, power up, battle with, leave in gyms, trade...
Collecting is the main point of PoGo. HPWU was basically driven by quests, IIRC, and I quickly found myself not playing when there wasn't a special challenge... and shortly after that not playing at all because all the quests basically were the same thing with different decorations.
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@PkmnTrainerJ , At least she can use her knowledge, experience, and talent for a more noble and meaningful purpose out there. She deserves something better.
Well Niantic just made approx $82000 selling battle beacons for this event.
thats not bad ? how did u come to that number
So what you're saying is that they didn't even cover the costs for a single developer's yearly salary in the largest event of the last year.
Rough estimate using Battle Beacon points divided by max score x the cost of the beacons.
@Perringaiden That's just phase 2 value. We've had a lot of other pay 2 win events this year plus badges, CORE etc.
Seriously? A developers yearly wage is 82 grand? Man I'm in the wrong job
What about the people who purchased the BB using existing CMU from CORE, had fee BB from the past or even had BB codes from the packs from Munich? A better way of phrasing this is Niantic may have earned a maximum of $82,000 this month from events.
True - however I did say approximately.
in cali yes its expensive
@gazzas89 I've been a software engineer in the San Francisco bay area since 1995. An entry-level software engineer is going to get a minimum of about $100K base salary, or more at prestigious company. There are also typically bonuses and stock options/grants. A senior engineer is going to do much better than that entry-level person.
Good luck buying a house out here for less than a million dollars.
Seems like the Ingress Social Media person got laid off... Judging by 2 events with NO messages on Telegram or Twitter
Nothing on Facebook.
Even the coward mods over at the vowel chat have posted about it.
They remembered.
That would make sense IF those contractors had an exact and fixed task to finish and that's it. Otherwise it's a lot more expensive. Consultants/contractors usually get 1.5/2x or even more exactly for the reason you stated: they have to buy their own insurance and benefits and stuff, so they demand a higher pay than a fixed salary employee.
Uh, the average salary for a software developer in LA is more around the $130k mark.
Gebus, maybe outsource some dev work overseas then?
Some devs who were working on the Transformers game were overseas contractors. Now, the game development has been terminated; it only shows that Niantic doesn't even have enough budget to pay overseas contractors, wherein the labor is cheaper. It does not look good at all...
There are significant quality questions when you outsource development in a small group. Not enough oversight means quality suffers (more).
@Perringaiden Outsourcing also comes with a lot of communication and management issues, and is often slower because of the difficulty of working in wildly mismatched timezones. My team does quite well at working in different regions because we're equally split between California, Japan, and Ireland and we're all employees rather than contractors, but there can still be delays when you're working with someone with someone from another site. Because we're employees we have a depth of experience with the things we work on as well as the broader context of its ecosystem. You don't get that with contractors.
My experienced with outsourced offshoring has never been good.
I spent 6 years working in the US for an Australian team liasing with US/Canadian/UK colleagues. But contractors without oversight are a different story.
also i doubt transformers would be the next big game niantic are looking for after pogo, nba all stars also im skeptic if that will work.. anything not pogo in the name and it doesnt seem to work.. catan on the other hand looked like the most interestin game so far with the season thingy..
It all depends on what bits you outsource, who you outsource to, and how the outsourced staff are managed.
Most of our development is done in Australia, however some things are outsourced to *staff* in Kazakhstan and Russia.
Catan had so much promise but was poorly executed. I wanted road building etc.
I like some of the things Catan did. If a board games company like Bezier or Facade Games decided that they wanted to do a collaboration with Niantic they could make something really fun.
Even something like Ticket to Ride AR would he great.
It seems that Niantic cannot also develop a new game that can inspire interest among fickle gamers. Lack of creativity or stuck in the PoGo genre? Btw, the interest in PoGo is starting to wane and it might take the same path as Ingress Prime.
because pogo came out of nowhere and became a legendary game by now, its very hard even for niantic replicate that in a new game or whatever.... they failed twice now with catan and transformers... even microsoft failed with minecraft..
A game can't just be popular, it also has to make money.
Delta-t was immensely popular, but not very well monetized thus went out of business
Don’t leave out that they failed with Harry Potter: Wizards Unite too
Because like Pokemon go, they didn't incorporate the faction vs faction aspect.
It was just a gotta collect them all game and not much else. And like any other digital game where collecting is involved, when the game goes, so does your collection.
Ingress Missions are a collection sub-game too, and one day, they too will be gone. But hopefully not for several more years.
@Grogyan The main difference with Ingress missions is that they're not central to the gameplay... you could play Ingress perfectly well without ever doing even one mission. Also, once you do a mission it's just a shiny on your profile and has no use in gameplay, unlike a Pokemon that you can evolve, power up, battle with, leave in gyms, trade...
Collecting is the main point of PoGo. HPWU was basically driven by quests, IIRC, and I quickly found myself not playing when there wasn't a special challenge... and shortly after that not playing at all because all the quests basically were the same thing with different decorations.
atleast it got out of beta🤪