Backpack feature in Ingress

Valor002Valor002 ✭✭✭

Few questions about the backpack feature:

1) What are the advantages of having an in game backpack?

2) Which years inclusive was it available?

3) How does it work?

4) Does Niantic have any plans to re-release it to balance the playing field to make it inclusive and fair play for everyone.

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  • NoctarionNoctarion ✭✭✭

    In my city everyone uses backpacks but they disguise it as their bf/gf account or their children account but misteriously those accounts never play around, except when they need extra resonators or mods haha. I wish there was a better way to stop this, but multi account and spoofing are here and won't go anywhere.

  • DrHydrosaurDrHydrosaur ✭✭✭✭

    It’s totally normal to try to get your kid/spouse to play the game you enjoy (or for them to be curious to try themselves). But if they find they’re not into it as much as you, the account is still there.

    I think it’s very common for the kid/spouse to not enjoy playing ingress alone but likes the occasional ingress trip with you.

    How are we to distinguish such a pair of agents from a backpack?

  • NoctarionNoctarion ✭✭✭
    edited January 15

    Like I said, it's so easy to disguise it, that everyone (at least in my city) does it, specially the ones that are known for playing dirty.

  • DrHydrosaurDrHydrosaur ✭✭✭✭

    But then how can you be so confident that they are disguising a backpack vs getting occasional help from a loved one?

    When my son was old enough to play I showed him the ropes, let him throw some easy fields in our neighbourhood, and, yes, fill a few mod slots.

    soon after he was messaged in coms by an agent in the other faction accusing him of being my back pack.

  • Valor002Valor002 ✭✭✭

    I’m 100% sure the message pop up loading the game to create an account specify that you have to be 18 years old to play the game, and to sign up a child to play, there are other legal forms to be completed.

  • Valor002Valor002 ✭✭✭

    So if those forms are not completed, then it likeliness of it being a “backpack” account is closer to 100%.

  • DrHydrosaurDrHydrosaur ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15

    3.6 Who May Use Our Services

    Unless stated otherwise for a particular Service, children are not allowed to use the Services. A "Child" is a person (a) under 13 years old (for residents outside of the EEA, except for the Republic of Korea)”

    https://nianticlabs.com/terms/en/

  • Valor002Valor002 ✭✭✭

    So the grey area starts at that point 😄

    @DrHydrosaur

  • Valor002Valor002 ✭✭✭

    Then obviously the child is a teenager and have the choice if they want to play or not. Makes sense

  • PokemonGo has a child setting; Ingress never has.

    Niantic could tell by play styles. If one account only drops and picks up things, and plays L8 resos, mods, viruses - it's probably a backpack. (Sure that wouldn't catch everybody, but it would catch a lot.)

    My spouse and I both play. But our style is quite different, Niantic could tell (if they wanted to) even if we accidentally picked up each others' phones (nevermind that they're different sizes, lol). He's more likely to just capture; I'm more likely to fill. I make little fields but don't glyph. He doesn't link much, but does glyph. Heck, if Niantic cared, they could tell him glyphing from me glyphing - we even have different glyph styles . If my account suddenly glyphed like him, it'd be suspicious. Plus, we're not always together.

  • mortuusmortuus ✭✭✭✭✭

    it should be fairly easy for niantic to tell if someone is using extra accounts to just drop gear and upgrade portals and not do more then that vs a couple that has each account and plays together but maybe that is hard to tell apart even their internal systems for that stuff?

  • @mortuus it's not easy, the example @MargariteDVille gives, would flag my girlfriend's account.

    She played until a few years ago and now only upgrades/mods if I ask her to and trades gear with me if I need some or have too much.

    Nothing about that is cheating (I once asked that in an AMA just to be sure), but it is also indistinguishable from an actual backpack account.


    The only way to stop backpacks is to severely limit trading, but that doesn't solve multiaccounting

  • Otrera35Otrera35 ✭✭✭

    What happens when members of a clan actually play? They get followed by bullies, cheaters, and multi-accounters to **** and thwart that certain clan from having the best adventure of their lives.

  • Otrera35Otrera35 ✭✭✭

    Have multiple agents from different factions follow and **** those players. Happened multiple times out there and there is no point in denying this elephant in the room.

  • DrHydrosaurDrHydrosaur ✭✭✭✭

    I’m not denying it happens, of course it does and too much. But I also see backpack accusations thrown around on flimsy evidence.

  • Valor002Valor002 ✭✭✭

    @Otrera35 you’re right. Those cheaters, stalkers, and bullies cannot create genuine friendships with good core values, including trust; even with their own faction members. They’re used to poor self management skills and if they’re set in their ways, then forget it, they wouldn’t change.

  • Well, this discussion went from "what is backpack" to "this guy is multi-accounter". So far, you did not mention multiple accounts, but people here assumed it.

    Just want to confirm we're talking about the same thing - did you actually see suspicious accounts around? Like, actions in COMM together? Or an account only used to upgrade portals?

  • SSSputnikSSSputnik ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 18

    Lol - I know one guy had almost a dozen phones for various accounts, (pre Poke) and another who had a single phone with about 1-2 dozen accounts on it.

    My wife plays, my daughter used to play. Anyone can check daughters stats, no hacking no AP change no backpack use. My wife is still an active player with I think over 80Mill AP.

    Everyone should be forced to have open stats.

  • HosetteHosette ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SSSputnik There is or was an infamous portal in northern California. One of the players up there was alleged to have a pizza box full of phones for all of his alts. His girlfriend submitted a portal, from inside his car, and a literal pizza box full of phones was reflected in the glass. I have the picture somewhere but I can't find it.

  • I feel all of your frustration. From all of my investigations, the problem seems to stem from Pokémon go and ingress sharing the same portals/map. Ingress used pg to promote the game. Because of this, it created this whole mess. I’ve never played pg. I didn’t know that we shared almost everything. Pg players used ingress to help them with their stats in pg. I can’t even nominate a portal without it being rejected by wayfarer only to see it go live by a pg player. You can tell because the name on the portal says “unknown “. I know this opens up a whole new can of worms but it’s relevant.

  • The backpack feature goes back to well before pogo. Niantic can't stop it. The only players left are the multi accounters anymore. Legit players got tired of playing against it. Niantic could stop it by stopping quantum replication and dropping of gear. But they will never do that. So it's here to stay.

  • Even before MUFG's there was already backpack accounts in use. MUFG's had litle impact on that part of the game(in my opinion).

    In my experience most backpack accounts are used just for that, storage, and for that reason the most obvious way that catch someone in the act of using a backpack account is to "see" one or more capsules being droped and subsequently picked-up when there is only one agent present.

  • HosetteHosette ✭✭✭✭✭

    @VenomousToad Did you just admit to being a multiaccounter?

  • iFrankmansiFrankmans ✭✭✭✭

    Although checking capsules is by no means a valid reason to accuse someone of using backpacks. I drop capsules a lot when I am out fielding, such that I don't need to recycle every couple of hacks because of inventory limits.

  • mortuusmortuus ✭✭✭✭✭

    we need a new verification method somehow, as it is today what stops those to use multiple accounts and get infinite amounts of gear? not much.... how sad

  • NoctarionNoctarion ✭✭✭
    edited January 20

    I wouldn't say "not much" I'd say "nothing". The other night an agent from my city created more than 20 accounts late night just to give likes to a photo of their couch portal so the main photo wouldn't change and the duplicate portal next to it wouldn't get deleted. That sh!t was insane and shows how much people are willing to do in order to "win" this game. I'm pretty sure now all those accounts will be used as backpacks.

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