Restaurants?

Should restaurants be portals?

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  • SyksyvaaraSyksyvaara ✭✭✭

    Certain restaurants may be considered unique local businesses.

  • OthinnMxOOthinnMxO ✭✭✭


    It would also help if they have some kind of history behind them.

  • TheFarixTheFarix ✭✭✭✭✭

    It depends, if they are part of a restaurant chain, such as McDonalds, then no. If they have a playground, then the playground can be a portal. If the restaurant is a popular spot that you would take a friend to, then it is may be a portal. The problem with the latter is that you really need to sell the location via the discription or reviewers will just 1-star it as a "generic local business".

  • sisimeonsisimeon ✭✭✭

    If they meet any of the criteria, yes of course.

  • You should definitely submit notable restaurants. But you have to explain why. It's much easier with Prime because in the supporting statement you can say "This restaurant has over 1500 reviews and 4.6 stars" but that's subjective so if it was in the description it would probably be rejected. Another thing that you could put in the description is that you would tell visitors to your town about it or take them to eat there.

    It's still possible to get them approved in Redacted. In the description, you should say stuff like "They're known for their high-quality steaks" in the description. Information about when the restaurant opened and if a famous chef works there is also great. If it has a unique atmosphere, describe it.

    In summary: show, don't tell.

  • King0fHeartsKing0fHearts ✭✭✭
    edited June 2019

    I feel restaurants are destroying the game in many areas. Some areas near me are getting any and all restaurants approved and there doesn't seem to be anything anyone can do about it.

    I do agree that some restaurants should be approved but only unique ones like diners, sugar houses or theme restaurants.

  • "I personally feel that any locally owned dine-in or drive-in restaurant that isn't part of a franchise should be a POI simply because they are places where locals gatherand places that you would take a visiting friend to. Unfortunately, too many other people will disagree."

    In any given town there could be as many as 100+ locally owned restaurant. To me that just kills the game there is no to very little knowledge learnt from going to a restaurant. There is no sense of adventure from going to a restaurant. There is no WOW moment from going to a restaurant.

    Ingress can be a fun game full of exercise and adventure. Or... Ingress could be a game where you go to restaurants and get ****.

  • I think if the restaurant had interesting decorations that we could use as a portal submission - it would be fair game.

    This could easily turn into a money making situation where people start offering paid services to "add a pokestop" at a restaurant for a fee.

  • With some historical or cultural value maybe.

  • TheFarixTheFarix ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2019

    In any given town there could be as many as 100+ locally owned restaurant. To me that just kills the game there is no to very little knowledge learnt from going to a restaurant. There is no sense of adventure from going to a restaurant. There is no WOW moment from going to a restaurant.

    The same exact thing can be said for places of worship, playgrounds, monuments, trail markers, or anything else. That is why I don't by the "too many portals" argument. And I rather we not have something that is so subjectively applied. The less room for ambiguity when applying the criteria, the better.

  • MoogModularMoogModular ✭✭✭✭✭

    I feel if the restaurant has historical value in the sense that its architecture or style calls out something that is not common today and is a "portal to the past" then it could be worthy.

    I do hate the ambiguity of the local restaurants or gathering spots because you could bring argument to one but it could be something that is "astroturf historical" - its style is just a replica of the past when it never was originally there. (Read: If the restaurant was remodeled to replicate its old building and has a history - that's ok)

    The part here is that a picture can be easily deceiving even though it's unintentional. It also requires some local knowledge

  • I vote no on any chain restaurant. Higher probability of 3 stars if it’s locally or family owner. Higher probability even still if the description tells me why it’s special to locals.

  • TheFarixTheFarix ✭✭✭✭✭

    The criteria is "A popular spot where locals gather, but may be lesser-known outside the community". There is nothing in that criteria about the location being historical, culturally significant, or any other "WOW factor". Pubs naturally fit into that category and so do locally owned restaurants. Requring anything beyond that is just reviewrs creating in their own rules on top of what Niantic has already outlined.

  • myrthrrmyrthrr ✭✭✭

    "Submit a pub in the UK with no attempt at a description though and it gets approved. I don't understand why reviewers are happy to approve generic pubs with little to no research done for the submission, and reject unique local businesses like cafes that have great stories."

    Agreed that too many generic or chain pubs and bars are being approved, just for serving beer etc. It's a great turnaround from a few years back when almost all were being rejected, but give us a hook, a story, a reason to consider it unique.

  • SenmanaSenmana ✭✭✭

    On the new "What Makes a Good Portal?" helppage on Niantic Support it does suggest that "Generic local businesses don’t meet criteria on their own without having historical/cultural value, community significance, or distinctive architecture". I do feel most pubs have cultural value, they're the heart of most communities, but I like to see descriptions that tell me why this pub matters to the community.

  • "The same exact thing can be said for places of worship, playgrounds, , trail markers, or anything else. That is why I don't by the "too many portals" argument. And I rather we not have something that is so subjectively applied. The less room for ambiguity when applying the criteria, the better."

    Bring me to any of these town's that you talk about, please!

    Places of worship can hold hundreds or some can even hold thousands of people. This is not true with restaurants some have a hard time holding 10 people. You want me to believe there are more places of worship then restaurants?

    Trail markers are awesome! They look cool and you feel like you accomplished something at the end. Unlike cargressing. However they are rare most get rejected and they are very hard to prove they are in the right place or they really exist. I've never seen a large number of trail markers in the same place or town. Maybe a max of 20ish in one area/town. I do a lot of hiking.

    Playgrounds sux, Niantic should give a better idea of what they want as a playground however I've never been to a town that has more playgrounds then restaurants.

  • Restaurants are generic business. However, there are some of them that are historical: let's take "The Temple Bar" in Dublin as exemple, it has an historic background, which cannot be compared to another random pub. Personally, when I find similar submissions, I check online to find some information, but in general I consider restaurants as generic business.

  • Jac1891Jac1891 ✭✭✭

    Restaurants are generic business so not. However, if the main subject or description relates to a particular that makes it unique, for example a special plate or some decoration outside the lines I approve it.

  • TheFarixTheFarix ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2019

    @King0fHearts there are 9 churches in my town, but only one locally owned restaurant. And this holds true in every town in my are. So the claim that there are more locally own restaurants than churches is bullocks. And as playgrounds go, in some areas there is a playground one every block and at every apartment complex.

    But I am sorry to hear that you do not think Ingress or Pokemon Go should be walking games.

  • @TheFarix First of all 9 churches isn't alot next I will point out we are talking about ALL restaurants not just the "locally owned" one that you're talking about.

    In my area we have had McDonald's, Burger King's Wendy's, Ninety Nine and different restaurants get approved. These are NOT locally owned and once made almost impossible to have removed from the game.

    Also every type of pizza joint, Chinese food restaurant. Hot dog stand, sub stops.

    As I said in a older post... Do I think some types of restaurants should be portals? Yes! I'm a big fan of diners and other types of theme restaurants an example Hard Rock Cafe.

    The original idea for having portals to bring people to hidden gems in towns and cities. However some Angents want as many portals made no matter how bad they are.

  • If submitter can provide intel why that particular restaurant has interesting story or history, why not?🤷‍♂️

    Problem is, that usually the descriptions for these places are "popular place" and that alone doesn't really strike as POI worthy.

  • BR4510BR4510 ✭✭
    Restaurante, entra na mesma categoria de local, que reúno pessoas, como igrejas e praças.
  • MicksterMickster ✭✭✭

    That's because people submit every Restaurant in their town - even if it's a chain Restaurant.

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