Update on new cheating prevention initiatives from Niantic....

Thank you for trying to be as transparent as possible here - can't wait to hear what you mean by Compartmental Access Level Measures - sounds intriguing! Spoofers and multi-accounters continue to drive people from the game which is the opposite of what Nia and the player communities want, I know. You've brought us some really great things in 2021 - looking forward to see what comes next!

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  • From the name I expect it to be limitations based on agent level. (ex. L3 could not create links longer than x km etc)

    But I do hope that they take account age also into consideration... It's possible to level up a bot to L10 in less than a day

  • In my area we have problems with accounts being leveled to 6 and spoofing down our anchors. Hopefully this can mitigate that. It's frustrating as whenever one is banned there is another to replace it. I hope Niantic us working on a way to tie these to a main account as I'm sure this isn't a unique problem

  • Hope they also strike backpack and mule accounts. To support it, I suggest to increase Itemlimit by 500 for everyone. This may support the transition to a TOS conform gameplay for everyone as same as lower the subscription advantage.

  • ZeroHecksGivenZeroHecksGiven ✭✭✭✭✭
  • GoblinGranateGoblinGranate ✭✭✭✭✭

    In this post I spoke about the topic and have been shouting around about how destructive this is.

    It is good and feels good to hear anything about the topic from Niantic, a little dose of hope of that banstorm that has to come.

    🙏

  • Ahmmm... , everyone 500+ = 2500 for nonsubscriber and subscribers 3000!?

    The point is: with all the boosts, expanded portal network, added mods and so on its barely feasible to play with 2000 items max, even if you got 6 key capsules. So I subscribed by the way.

    So, if they now hire a data analyst, digging in the data, deleting the mule accounts + 1 strike for the main accounts: they need to build a bridge. The cheaters are everywhere. My guess: 70% of the agents got a backpack. They don't even know how to play with a cap of 2k

  • jontebulajontebula ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not help mutch when agents can use 2 or more accounts and Niantic do nothing when agents report about it.

    Hope Niantic can do nothing soon and remove accounts we report when 1 agent have and use the account/accouts we report.

    @NianticBrian Extreme hard to get it remove when Niantic do nothing.

  • 2000 is fine for an average casual player. If you are playing at a level that you need more room, you're playing at a level that you should expect to compensate the people responsible, for all the fun and engagement you're having.

    barely feasible to play

    What have we been doing for the last 8 years?

  • Genious, if this was even close to be right people wouldn't create backpacks.

    This is an example of a small area in Berlin, perfectly fine to go by foot. Sounds like you are not playing in a city. Anyway, 500 to cap doesn't hurt, even not needed by some agents, and may be a good way to re-integrate the agents. My guess is that Nia was and may is not interested to punish it... The issue is too big. But still a big problem.

  • Genious, if this was even close to be right people wouldn't create backpacks.

    Firstly "genius".

    Secondly, the willingness for people cheat is in no way related to 'need'. You never 'need' to cheat in a game, including Ingress. Anyone who is happy to make backpacks is not playing by the rules. That isn't an excuse for why we 'need' more space. Just because you feel the need to hold every portal in sight, isn't a reason to cheat. Just because you feel outnumbered, isn't a reason to cheat.

    If you're using your gear regularly, you don't need to cheat... because you're using your gear.

    The people who want more space, are usually ones who either have to travel between farms and play areas, and people who keep hoarding keys because they can't drop them.

    Neither qualify as "Average Casual Player. That area you're displaying is not "Average Casual Player". If you want to have 3000 slots, I'm totally on board with you paying $10 a month for an extra 1000 slots. If you only want 500 extra slots, that'll be $5 a month.

    The fact that you're playing well above the "Average Casual Player" does not mean everyone needs 500 extra slots. It means you really should consider subscribing and pushing for a larger subscription tier. I would wholeheartedly support that.

  • jontebulajontebula ✭✭✭✭✭

    If Niantic new cheating system works agents dont cheating and create multi account. Now agents know it is very safe and Niantic dont remove most of the multi account. Hope @NianticBrian can help Niantic work hard now when Niantic get lots of money from C.O.R.E every month to stop multi account and remove all they get report about. I hope we can report multi account and spoofing even from COMM and Niantic get auto message they need about portals location and more.

  • raspyoftowraspyoftow ✭✭
    edited February 2021

    just wish they would stop letting people use anchors on islands and military bases to cover muli county areas and discourage people from playing. and also portals that are on private property

  • Jo0LzJo0Lz ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree. All portals should be reachable by all players, no exceptions. I still don't understand this whole aspect. Heck even the mars rover key we all got seemed like it can't be reached by everyone by just walking up to it.

    The island portals, that's quite a different story. When is an island small enough to not warrant portals? If there is no residential property on it?

    In any case, they should remove the portals on military grounds, the fact that the still exist is just stupid.

  • SSSputnikSSSputnik ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2021

    We have some very strategic island portals that are on tiny islands. And both sides visit them.

    Most have a lighthouse or plaque.

    Lot's of great stories usually surround them. Epic trips.

  • As long as they remove key replication in capsules, making the keys precious and not "rethrow at will"...

  • ZeroHecksGivenZeroHecksGiven ✭✭✭✭✭

    Think about what you're suggesting here and the implications of a move that says a portal is reachable by "all players."

    First, what should one consider as reachable by a player? Is a strenuous hike for an 80 year old reachable? Is a portal that doesn't have wheelchair access reachable? Is a portal that's on one side of a country line considered reachable if there isn't a way for one agent to cross said border?

    So we decide we want all portals reachable for all agents, we've settled that maybe some portals are okay if wheelchair bound agents can't reach them, because, well, they're usually looked over anyways. So now who decides what's "reachable" and what isn't? Is it reviewed by Niantic, are these added to wayfarer (we know how that will go) or is it decided by local agents?


    Your suggestion makes no sense from just about every angle I can think of.

  • ArtilectZedArtilectZed ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is no meaningful way for Niantic to be able to police portal placement locations, and be able to determine if each area is accessible by 100% of the population.

  • I have seen the news that Niantic has provided that they are taking action on spoofers in both Pokemon Go, Harry Potter and Ingress and I must comment that it is good that they have finally realized that we are facing a serious and serious problem. However, focusing it on Ingress, the percentage of "research" they have carried out is negligible and should be larger.

    A couple of weeks ago I exposed a thread in this forum exposing the problem that exists (to this day we continue to have spoofers that act for Barcelona and Ingress has not taken action on the matter) with this series of players who skip the rules and leave unscathed. The worst thing is that if the system sees that we always report them to the same agent who cheats, said report loses credibility, or at least that is the impression that many agents in the area have. I think the solution would be to exist a minimum of human moderation capable of monitoring players and thus more easily contemplate if there are suspicious movements and times that do not match.

    I don't know ... Reports have been made to agents who have entered restricted areas and continue to campaign so widely. The good thing about this (if there is something good to take out) is that legal players take it as an extra bonus.

  • Since I can't afford to fly to South Africa, all portals in South Africa are invalid and not 100% accessible.

  • GuschtelGuschtel ✭✭✭
    edited February 2021

    That kind of reasoning is complete ****, because you could convince someone to pay you the flight. :P

  • The entire argument is nonsense. This is the logical conclusion to these statements.

    Also, you don't know if I'm on a terrorist watchlist or not. I've been playing Ingress for a while "destroying communities", "blowing up monuments" and the like 🤣

  • Jo0LzJo0Lz ✭✭✭✭✭

    They advocate to not trespass, but allow portals only a few people can actually reach because it's policed by the military. Literally just seeing if you could reach the portal could get you arrested.

    I don't think portals on military grounds should be in this game, but that's just me.

  • Jo0LzJo0Lz ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2021

    Agreed. In any case, if it's illegal to be there, should we allow any portals there. And to anyone saying we can't check if you can access those portals, streetview clearly shows gates/guard houses, sometimes even MP's.

    I actually got in trouble once for parking near the entrance of a military base. I didn't know it was off limits, I was at the gate checking intel/maps to see if I could reach it. Google maps was mapping a route straight to the portal and didn't mention any gate.

    Anyway, a lot of people seem to disagree, so I guess it's too bad. I've also had great trips to hard to reach portals, and I think that's totally different to unreachable portals off limits to the public.

    Edit: I think your point in duplicating the keys is also valid. Having agents that don't play other than to make those hard to reach portals and capture them, and hack some keys. The teammates just throw endless fields with the links and no way for regular players to combat it.

    I'd consider high fences with barbed wires around the compound and **** guards to be sufficient reason to say it's not reachable. Easily checked by wayfarer too.

  • ArtilectZedArtilectZed ✭✭✭✭✭

    Or make friends with someone who works on the base, or is in the military, and have them drive you around the base. Like many, many other people have done.

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