New day, new ban. Player @Marc1706 was banned as well. He is @Corriente's son and in the last months has been playing only a few times. He is a legit, real player. Knowing the family for a couple years now i can guarantee that they all are playing clean and fair.
@grendelwulf thanks for stepping up and asking the obvious question. Yes you are right, this could bei the case. But If everything went correctly we should have seen a first and a second strike before an irreversible ban. That would bei easy for Nia Ops to come forward with and all my arguments would be rendered to sound uncredible. Yet, there was no first strike, right, @NianticBrian?
With @corriente and @marc1706 I have to trust that they did nothing wrong. This is what they tell me and the last 8 years have taught me that if I can rely on only one single person outside my family, then that is @Corriente. I guess the same is true for most players in our community.
With @IraWit, well, she's a 14 year old girl playing the game mostly to keep her parents (@PatWit and me) happy. Take a look at her profile and you'll see that easily. Why the hell should she start cheating? Besides obvious Problems like language (she's only learning english in school), money (supervised by her parents), etc.
Yes, probably I am the one here that's telling lies and the biggest cheater in the whole game. Then all argumenting here is useless and I should be banned. As long as thats not happening tho, something is obviously wrong.
Again, @NianticBrian proove me wrong, ban me right away or free @Corriente, free @Marc1706 and free @IraWit now!
I am trusting this player. Way more than in the abilities of NIA OPs.
Playing with @Corriente you know his attitude against cheating. You experience situations which shows that he is not accessing the accounts of his family when they are not around (addressing one of the most plausible accusations). The overall gameplay is so plausible and involves so much time, that small violations, which I cannot 100% emilite just doesn't make any sense.
So there are evidence that proves my assessment wrong? Then please show them to us / him and we can discuss what NIA gets wrong.
How this and similar cases are handled is a huge problem. He did not receive any information not even a mail that he got banned. Logging in is just not working and other players cannot access the profile. No three strike rule was applied. So the violation was so bad and evidence such apparent that the strikes are skipped? Other players banned in the same 'wave' also banned with no notification at all got their accounts back. So one has to assume that those bans are based on quite questionable evidence, if they are withdrawn on challenge. So why use a harder penalty in the first place? This Whole process is just intransparent, arbitrary and unfair.
I have to interject here wrt to not being afforded a warning or a strike. The 3-strike policy is not a blanket policy. Some transgressions will result in an immediate ban without prior warning or a strike.
Keep in mind that offenders are not always offered three strikes. Some misbehaviors may result in immediate account termination without prior warning.
And to play devil's advocate (not accusing anyone, just putting this in as a general comment to take under consideration), nobody can vouch 100% for another player. You simply do not have a full view of what a person does with their account 24/7, or if that person is the only person with access to the account. It's also extremely rare for someone to admit to wrong-doing, as that would disappoint their fellows and/or tarnish their standing in their community.
@Azhreia you are right, no one can see into another persons mind. But as @velotriraptor said, it's about trust. I have learned over the last 8 years to trust @Corriente blindly and wasn't let down a single time. I am 100% positive this will not change.
As for my daughters account I am 100% sure that I know what was done with the account, where it was used etc since Google Family Link is active on the account. Again, that does not mean that I'm not a liar. But in that case, my account should be banned as well. So @NianticBrian, I repeat: ban me or free @Corriente, free @marc1706, free @IraWit.
About three strikes. When I am refereeing in sports these are those blue or yellow cards. Minor offenses like being too close to the next athlete, or forgetting to close the bike helmet.
If I carry this comparison - then an account termination would be like a disqualify. Athletes get this if they don't listen to their strikes (more than 2 other cards) and - yes also there, there's a direct way - generally endangering others or blatant disrespect of referees or the rules.
In Ingress this would be spoofing (I cannot imagine any of the three agents under scrutiny here doing that) , Endangering or attacking other agents (no!!!!) or multiaccounting (the easiest thing to assume when a family plays ... and here I trust them 100%, not only because I like and trust them but also because there is no logical need to have more than one account. A bunch of portals in their resp. reach plus timed glyphing provides enough material)
Each of them have own phones, own equipment, are with their phones whenever game action happens. I - like tom - fully trust that this is the case. Even when I do know both families only for five years...
I still kind of expect a technical flaw- something recorded wrongly, something along those lines.
As for the reasons, just my speculation. sorry! Patience is difficult atm...But please free @corriente, @marc1706 and @irawit!!
Corriente got banned because there are enough traceable reasons. And everybody who's writing „signed“ knows that as well. Everybody who writes that, is a blue agent in the same city. Long story short: Karlsruhe was a blue city all over, for a very long time. Now, there are some green agents who changed that and thats where the whining has begun. Unfair, cheaters, spoofers, multiaccounts, reportings all the time. Scared little girls are crying now and try to distract from themselves.
Corriente got multiaccounts, he insults people, he threatens people, he chases people who trying to attack their fake homeportals.
His „fellow“ agent TomWit is the same. All of his family plays ingress? Yes of course, because that's what young girls do in their freetime, playing mobile games with there very cool parents... TomWit was seen often with more than one phone in his hands. Btw: All of his kids aren't allowed to play Ingress anyway, because their younger then 14 years old. And TomWit was a LTP Hunter, so look a the leaked stuff from years ago and everybody will know what's going on. Btw does pets also count as family members?? Of course they trust each other and cover their backs, that's how their community works.
But yes, everything green does, is unfair, everybody is a cheater, except of all the blue and fair playing agents.
Guys, know what: Just delete all of your accounts! Nobody will miss you. But even for that, you don't got the guts. Nia don't need to ban you, Tom. Just show us how tough you are and delete your account! If you really do that, respect, but we both know that it will never happens.
You got a lot of other accounts to use, so use them or make another one.
Look at all the comments, even the people writing „signed“, are partial proofed multi accounts, just look at the writing style. The blue agents crying the most have the biggest skeletons in the closet.
I am mostly playing alone, however, they reported me frequently. I also see a lot of other agents and they see me, but sure, I am a spoofer, cheater and a mutli account of other agents (Even when they are insulting me). Just because I don't play that much and mostly attack in a blue neighborhood, to get the many AP in a short period of time?! I got my TG Account @Agent538052, since years I got the same phone and never did something wrong. I am not even having a Homeportal. I know a few green guys for spending and hacking stuff and thats it. I got no time for playing games 24/7 and helping out others should be fine, it's still a team game. Sometimes we meet or play together to destroy enemy portals and everytime I got reported. Over and over again. And that should be a reason for a permanent ban?! Whining of blue agents because they are getting attacked?
All blue agents in Karlsruhe stand together for reporting other players and accuse them of unfair behavior. But this doesn't make a lie come true. Same thing with the „Unban Corriente because he is a super fair and friendly player“, all are standing together, blue is innocent and always right. Green is unfair, bad and also cheating. I am tired of this bull**. Do yourself a favor and delet your accounts and let us play in peace. It's just a game, maybe you have to learn that the hard way.
Last but not least: I totally agree with Tom and some of the other agents that we need a reason for the ban and a chance to proof you, Nia, wrong. Being accused of spoofing while going by Tram is only one example for that. But let's see what blue players do when they see what's going on with their fellow agents, let me answer that straight: Nothing, 'cause it's false accuse, no blue agents does things like that!! I must be a conspiracy of the Enlightned!!!
And this comes from the guy who was frequently observed cheating, giving his account to other players. And this is no hearsaying, i was able to see your cheating with my own eyes. Dear "agent5.... whatever number you currently are using", you are unable to play in fair manner and continue to do so by giving false accusations here.
wow - this from the agent who at first time visit in his village greeted me with "hope a car hits you"... Swallowing down all my other possible comments.
Dear @Agent538052neu I just offered this to you via Telegram, let me repeat this here:
You seem to know me quite well, given that we have never met in person. We should change this and have a talk about your (in my eyes wrongful) accusations. I'd be realy interested as to when you think you saw me with more than one phone in hand or which accounts you think are my secondarys.
I would apreciate some members of the enlightened community of Karlsruhe joining us, so you don't have to come alone.
Hey, did you just described every toxic ingress communities in a single post? Because that description fits very well in several places around the world :D
I do like to refer to players as players, not as accounts. And - yes, distraction... Just greetings to a neighbor but I should not have - sorry for that. I actually don't want to spoil the audience with too much popcorn.
It is not really right for the intention of this thread.
So I just say this: free @corriente, free @marc1706, free @irawit
And thank you to all the agents who have the guts to sign (or like) with their names and to show what trust and community is about.
Ingress was such a nice game for me the last years, I got new friends from this game, but what I really can't understand: Why clean playing agents got banned and on the other side there are multiple players which are cheating and don't get banned. Hopefully Ingress will become the game I liked again.
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@NianticBrian please free agents @Corriente and @IraWit
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How do we know they weren't actually caught cheating though and are just relying on player outrage to get unbanned?
It's called trust... And while with most agents I would have that 'what if...' doubt.
Not here.
And... Player outrage is not getting illegitimate accounts back.
New day, new ban. Player @Marc1706 was banned as well. He is @Corriente's son and in the last months has been playing only a few times. He is a legit, real player. Knowing the family for a couple years now i can guarantee that they all are playing clean and fair.
Wtf is going on here?
@grendelwulf thanks for stepping up and asking the obvious question. Yes you are right, this could bei the case. But If everything went correctly we should have seen a first and a second strike before an irreversible ban. That would bei easy for Nia Ops to come forward with and all my arguments would be rendered to sound uncredible. Yet, there was no first strike, right, @NianticBrian?
With @corriente and @marc1706 I have to trust that they did nothing wrong. This is what they tell me and the last 8 years have taught me that if I can rely on only one single person outside my family, then that is @Corriente. I guess the same is true for most players in our community.
With @IraWit, well, she's a 14 year old girl playing the game mostly to keep her parents (@PatWit and me) happy. Take a look at her profile and you'll see that easily. Why the hell should she start cheating? Besides obvious Problems like language (she's only learning english in school), money (supervised by her parents), etc.
Yes, probably I am the one here that's telling lies and the biggest cheater in the whole game. Then all argumenting here is useless and I should be banned. As long as thats not happening tho, something is obviously wrong.
Again, @NianticBrian proove me wrong, ban me right away or free @Corriente, free @Marc1706 and free @IraWit now!
I am trusting this player. Way more than in the abilities of NIA OPs.
Playing with @Corriente you know his attitude against cheating. You experience situations which shows that he is not accessing the accounts of his family when they are not around (addressing one of the most plausible accusations). The overall gameplay is so plausible and involves so much time, that small violations, which I cannot 100% emilite just doesn't make any sense.
So there are evidence that proves my assessment wrong? Then please show them to us / him and we can discuss what NIA gets wrong.
How this and similar cases are handled is a huge problem. He did not receive any information not even a mail that he got banned. Logging in is just not working and other players cannot access the profile. No three strike rule was applied. So the violation was so bad and evidence such apparent that the strikes are skipped? Other players banned in the same 'wave' also banned with no notification at all got their accounts back. So one has to assume that those bans are based on quite questionable evidence, if they are withdrawn on challenge. So why use a harder penalty in the first place? This Whole process is just intransparent, arbitrary and unfair.
Guess you are one of those who like to "solo" play. You won't be missed either, lad.
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I have to interject here wrt to not being afforded a warning or a strike. The 3-strike policy is not a blanket policy. Some transgressions will result in an immediate ban without prior warning or a strike.
Keep in mind that offenders are not always offered three strikes. Some misbehaviors may result in immediate account termination without prior warning.And to play devil's advocate (not accusing anyone, just putting this in as a general comment to take under consideration), nobody can vouch 100% for another player. You simply do not have a full view of what a person does with their account 24/7, or if that person is the only person with access to the account. It's also extremely rare for someone to admit to wrong-doing, as that would disappoint their fellows and/or tarnish their standing in their community.
@Azhreia you are right, no one can see into another persons mind. But as @velotriraptor said, it's about trust. I have learned over the last 8 years to trust @Corriente blindly and wasn't let down a single time. I am 100% positive this will not change.
As for my daughters account I am 100% sure that I know what was done with the account, where it was used etc since Google Family Link is active on the account. Again, that does not mean that I'm not a liar. But in that case, my account should be banned as well. So @NianticBrian, I repeat: ban me or free @Corriente, free @marc1706, free @IraWit.
About three strikes. When I am refereeing in sports these are those blue or yellow cards. Minor offenses like being too close to the next athlete, or forgetting to close the bike helmet.
If I carry this comparison - then an account termination would be like a disqualify. Athletes get this if they don't listen to their strikes (more than 2 other cards) and - yes also there, there's a direct way - generally endangering others or blatant disrespect of referees or the rules.
In Ingress this would be spoofing (I cannot imagine any of the three agents under scrutiny here doing that) , Endangering or attacking other agents (no!!!!) or multiaccounting (the easiest thing to assume when a family plays ... and here I trust them 100%, not only because I like and trust them but also because there is no logical need to have more than one account. A bunch of portals in their resp. reach plus timed glyphing provides enough material)
Each of them have own phones, own equipment, are with their phones whenever game action happens. I - like tom - fully trust that this is the case. Even when I do know both families only for five years...
I still kind of expect a technical flaw- something recorded wrongly, something along those lines.
As for the reasons, just my speculation. sorry! Patience is difficult atm...But please free @corriente, @marc1706 and @irawit!!
Hello Guys,
Corriente got banned because there are enough traceable reasons. And everybody who's writing „signed“ knows that as well. Everybody who writes that, is a blue agent in the same city. Long story short: Karlsruhe was a blue city all over, for a very long time. Now, there are some green agents who changed that and thats where the whining has begun. Unfair, cheaters, spoofers, multiaccounts, reportings all the time. Scared little girls are crying now and try to distract from themselves.
Corriente got multiaccounts, he insults people, he threatens people, he chases people who trying to attack their fake homeportals.
His „fellow“ agent TomWit is the same. All of his family plays ingress? Yes of course, because that's what young girls do in their freetime, playing mobile games with there very cool parents... TomWit was seen often with more than one phone in his hands. Btw: All of his kids aren't allowed to play Ingress anyway, because their younger then 14 years old. And TomWit was a LTP Hunter, so look a the leaked stuff from years ago and everybody will know what's going on. Btw does pets also count as family members?? Of course they trust each other and cover their backs, that's how their community works.
But yes, everything green does, is unfair, everybody is a cheater, except of all the blue and fair playing agents.
Guys, know what: Just delete all of your accounts! Nobody will miss you. But even for that, you don't got the guts. Nia don't need to ban you, Tom. Just show us how tough you are and delete your account! If you really do that, respect, but we both know that it will never happens.
You got a lot of other accounts to use, so use them or make another one.
Look at all the comments, even the people writing „signed“, are partial proofed multi accounts, just look at the writing style. The blue agents crying the most have the biggest skeletons in the closet.
I am mostly playing alone, however, they reported me frequently. I also see a lot of other agents and they see me, but sure, I am a spoofer, cheater and a mutli account of other agents (Even when they are insulting me). Just because I don't play that much and mostly attack in a blue neighborhood, to get the many AP in a short period of time?! I got my TG Account @Agent538052, since years I got the same phone and never did something wrong. I am not even having a Homeportal. I know a few green guys for spending and hacking stuff and thats it. I got no time for playing games 24/7 and helping out others should be fine, it's still a team game. Sometimes we meet or play together to destroy enemy portals and everytime I got reported. Over and over again. And that should be a reason for a permanent ban?! Whining of blue agents because they are getting attacked?
All blue agents in Karlsruhe stand together for reporting other players and accuse them of unfair behavior. But this doesn't make a lie come true. Same thing with the „Unban Corriente because he is a super fair and friendly player“, all are standing together, blue is innocent and always right. Green is unfair, bad and also cheating. I am tired of this bull**. Do yourself a favor and delet your accounts and let us play in peace. It's just a game, maybe you have to learn that the hard way.
Last but not least: I totally agree with Tom and some of the other agents that we need a reason for the ban and a chance to proof you, Nia, wrong. Being accused of spoofing while going by Tram is only one example for that. But let's see what blue players do when they see what's going on with their fellow agents, let me answer that straight: Nothing, 'cause it's false accuse, no blue agents does things like that!! I must be a conspiracy of the Enlightned!!!
Best regards, may the force be with you.
Agent538052
And this comes from the guy who was frequently observed cheating, giving his account to other players. And this is no hearsaying, i was able to see your cheating with my own eyes. Dear "agent5.... whatever number you currently are using", you are unable to play in fair manner and continue to do so by giving false accusations here.
wow - this from the agent who at first time visit in his village greeted me with "hope a car hits you"... Swallowing down all my other possible comments.
And now those popcorns, the show began...
Dear @Agent538052neu I just offered this to you via Telegram, let me repeat this here:
You seem to know me quite well, given that we have never met in person. We should change this and have a talk about your (in my eyes wrongful) accusations. I'd be realy interested as to when you think you saw me with more than one phone in hand or which accounts you think are my secondarys.
I would apreciate some members of the enlightened community of Karlsruhe joining us, so you don't have to come alone.
/ signed
Please free @Coriennte @IraWit
They have never done any forbitten thing!
Hey, did you just described every toxic ingress communities in a single post? Because that description fits very well in several places around the world :D
I do like to refer to players as players, not as accounts. And - yes, distraction... Just greetings to a neighbor but I should not have - sorry for that. I actually don't want to spoil the audience with too much popcorn.
It is not really right for the intention of this thread.
So I just say this: free @corriente, free @marc1706, free @irawit
And thank you to all the agents who have the guts to sign (or like) with their names and to show what trust and community is about.
And they want to charge a subscription for a game without any client support. Is amazing.
If one player in a group or family gets banned, that might be a mistake, but three or more? Somebody was caught doing something
@grendelwulf sure or someone tries to win the game by throwing the dice out of the window ;)
The amount of drama is incredible. I wonder when the topic is getting closed.
Love this thread since some seemingly angry green player started posting unproven accusations and spreading FUD 😂💙
@NianticBrian please free agents @Corriente and @IraWit
Ingress was such a nice game for me the last years, I got new friends from this game, but what I really can't understand: Why clean playing agents got banned and on the other side there are multiple players which are cheating and don't get banned. Hopefully Ingress will become the game I liked again.
/Signed
/signed
Das wird hoffentlich nicht zur neuen Spielweise...
@NianticBrian
So I say too: free @corriente, free @marc1706, free @irawit
Esté juego pertenece a los tramposos... Es el pan de cada día 😥😥